Talk:Wario VS King Dedede/@comment-30480843-20190410203820/@comment-30944269-20190410211913

The universe level feat in Super Mario Galaxy doesn't apply to anyone but Rosalina. Some people argue that Mario should scale to Rosalina, but it's mostly based on gameplay things that shouldn't be taken seriously in my opinion.

There are other potentially universe level things besides that, however. Dreamy Bowser from Mario & Luigi: Dream Team is arguably even a multiversal threat, and the Bros beat him. However, the issue with that is that it's kind of an outlier compared to the Bros' other showings against Bowser. Even when he's not powered up like he was in that fight, he's almost always portrayed as being stronger than them physically, requiring them to use the environment to beat them. That doesn't really mesh with them beating an amped version of him.

The best argument for universal Mario comes from Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, where Mario fights Paper Mario. Quick note: Death Battle acknowledged this in Mario vs Sonic (2018), where they say in a pop-up that Mario scales to PM. This is relevant because PM has universal feats, as noted above. On a base level, iirc, the most clear-cut feat he has is tanking a universe bust, and Mario potentially scales to that via being able to hurt him. This is probably the best argument for universal Mario, IMO. And of course, Wario scales to Mario because they've fought multiple times and their power comes from the same place and all that.

Oh and King Boo supposedly has a universal feat somewhere that Mario might scale to, not sure what it is or if it's legit though.