Thread:ZMusok/@comment-27033016-20200108004718/@comment-27033016-20200109193306

Yeah. The use of attack animations in JRPGs in general has muddied scaling to ambiguous wank levels. This is what I like to call "the Sephiroth Supernova Paradox"; named so because of Sephiroth's titular attack which seems to destroy an entire solar system to damage the party. However, the attack fails at cause and affect because while impressive, it didn't really affect the world outside of the battle itself, and Sephiroth summoning the JENOVA meteor into Gaia did far more damage than his Supernova attack did. Naturally, this lead to Ben and Chad to believe the attack took place in its own pocket dimension similar to the Summons, and it's more plausible.

Another example I would like to point out, although unrelated to the project, is the Tales of series. Some characters in various games have learned a Mystic Arte called Big Bang, which is like Supernova, but with the explosion that created the entire universe instead. These characters can casually use it without destroying the fabric of reality somehow, which leads me to believe it is a similar case where the attack is in its own pocket dimension.

Which brings me to Sterk, Kurt and Ishmelga. Regarding what you said about safe scaling, I think I can conclude all of their ultimate attacks are in the same boat as Supernova.

For Lulua, she immediately scales to Mana/Machina of God. It's revealed late in the game that Orthogalaxen is the pillar that holds all of Arland together (and the nation is at least continent sized), so should it be destroyed, it will take out all of Arland with it. Mana is the operator of Orthogalaxen and the strongest Machina in existence, so she uses her power to keep Orthogalaxen, and by extension, Arland stable. At some point in the game, Lulua has to intentionally weaken Mana in order to use the Authorized Key, and she eventually succeeds. This would make her continent level.

For Emma, I already mentioned before how she scales to Vita because she can potentially learn Lucian Lied to lift the Infernal Castle. This is not conjecture. It's mentioned in the games that all Hexen Clan witches can use it. They just chose not to because it's forbidden for a reason. However, a more impressive feat would be Emma holding back Ishmelga's curse inside Rean's subconscious. Since Ishmelga can spread his curse to all of Zemuria (not just Erebonia), her managing to hold it back inside Rean would make her continent level as well.

So without wank outliers, both are continent level. This is the safest scaling I can put them.

Also, I checked with the Wiki and they said crossing into parallel universes doesn't make them universal/multiversal, since it doesn't involve actual creation and destruction of the universes in question. It's just universe travel.