Talk:Roshi VS Jiraiya/@comment-26915466-20181129022927/@comment-25037311-20181130014544

"1) Roshi wasn't holding his own against the high tiers. I know you have to make it sound more "official," but... come on. Be honest. Roshi dodging Jiren's blows was pure plot contrivance BS. He's much closer to planetary tier than galactic tier. "

Yeah that was probably an outlier. Like Hercule dodging Kid Buu's punches.

"2) I get that you wanna try and be conservative with your estimates, but... galaxy busters, really? Given the power boosts to date, I think that Goku is a universe buster is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Also a bit contradictory for a web show that went out of its way to try and misrepresent Superman as a literally infinite and omnipotent god who can't be beaten, then claimed they dislike him. This assumes they are not using the outdated four-galaxy model, of course. God help us all when they get around to making Goku vs. Superman 3... or Goku vs. Saitama..."

Goku never destroyed a Universe. He only shook one. And it was Beerus's energy combined with his that did it. Not Goku's alone. Why do people not get this?