Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20170606023747/@comment-26374068-20170727003137

Alright, I'dd address both comments of yours in one. That way we don't get disorganized again...

1. Bowser can easily wound King Arthur. The difference here is comparing King Arthur's invulnerability towards Sonic's attacks to Bowser's attacks, which is NLF. Bowser is one of the Star Children, capable of conquering the universe. And in the M&L series, he defeated Culex and Dark Bowser, the former having complete control of creation, time and space, and the latter's split power was a "cosmic threat" according to Chakron, who is literally at one with the universe. Bowser is more than capable of crushing Arthur.

2. Bowser has manipulated people, too. Antasma is a prime example.

3. I agree, but not due to his defenses. I agree because he is way stronger.

4. Weak spots don't matter. Overlord is only comparable to the Final Egg Blaster, so he's 4-A. Megahammer is powered by a Grand Star, a Low 2-C artifact.

5. Mario fights clones like Shadow Mario, Memory M, Cosmic Mario, Cosmic Clones, and even clones from Paper Mario, like Doopliss and Shadoo.

6. The Shroobs destroy basic forces, and then Black Doom kills them. I agree. But then Tatanga steps in and destroys Black Doom.

7. Fair point. However, through scaling in other games, Kamek is stronger. Not through magic though, so yeah.

8. I agree.

9. Not helpful when your enemies are way stronger than you are.

1. Yeah...

2. Creating a dimensional rift through the universe includes erasing a large part of the space-time continuum, which would make Tatanga High 3-A, dwarfing anything Black Doom has done. Hax won't help in this case, as it's his army, the Black Arms, against the Shroobs and Tatanga. The basic troops in Black Doom's army lose to the Shroobs. Then, he has to step in and destroy the Shroobs himself, before Tatanga steps in and destroys him. Thus, Mario's aliens win.

3. Waluigi is capable of flight through various technology, and has manipulated the air around him to turn into water, allowing him to swim through the air. He could honestly warp the air around Shadow and Rouge and drown them rather easily. Landing attacks also does not matter when your opponent is unfathomably stronger. Also, Waluigi (as well as Wario) dealt with Junior in Strikers, who can unleash sonic shrieks as well. Wario and Waluigi have explosives as well, and with their hax and power, plus speed thanks to spin-offs (Wario could even have infinite speed due to dealing with Black Jewel), and while training is useful, again, not in this case. As a matter of fact, Wario and Waluigi are smarter. The former built an inter-dimensional travel machine in 16 seconds and built up a highly successful micro-ware set-up of games from scratch, and the latter was stated to be even smarter than the former. Also, the Wario Bros. are rivals to the Mario Bros. IMO, Mario & Luigi >>>>>> Knuckles & Amy.

4. I put it above.

5. Again, Sonic isn't comparable to Bowser.

6. Shy Ninja moves so fast, he teleports and appears invisible to Mario, and he can even "stop time" by moving so fast. Mario beat him through strategy. Ninja (character) can teleport, manipulate air, and all sorts of other stuff.

7. Dreamy Bowser is way stronger. Abilities in this case are irrelevant when one sneeze can literally wipe Solaris away. The only reason I'd say Solaris beats Dreamy Bowser is via speed, and even then, it's an infinite stalemate since Solaris can't hurt his foe and Dreamy Bowser can't catch his foe.

8. I explained above why that's irrelevant.

Yes, that's true. I'm just saying that Mario did fight Cosmic Mario, so the two racing is similar to Sonic's race with Metal Sonic. They are racing, yes, but both duos attacked each other in the process.