Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-26374068-20171007014353

1. Well, I can agree with that.

2. And if Clockwork somehow manages to hit him. I don't see how Mario can't just dodge with them, especially with the speed feats he has. And most of those Mario has done himself. Saving the multiverse? Done roughly seven times. Also, Mario has dozens of haxxy things he can use--paralysis? Got that. Time stop? Got that. BFR? With some artifacts, yes. And if Clockwork is a glass cannon, Mario puts him down quite quickly via superior speed and power.

3. Mario has resisted acid in Super Mario Sunshine's final boss fight. It hurts him, but it doesn't do much more than that. Also, pretty sure that's NLF. What allows physical attacks to do nothing to him is that he is slime, correct? The reason for that is because slime is a very "cushioned" substance. It absorbs the damage and spreads it out through the body better than a human can. When hit, the human body spreads the force out through the body to tank it better. A substance like slime does that better. Makes him more durable, yes, but with enough joules pumped into his body, it's very possible that his body cannot spread the force exertion and will go kablooie. I don't know how durable he is, but I'm sure that Composite Mario has enough power to do so, considering he has feats at Alien X's level.

4. Mario has manipulated energy before. Just wanna say that, so he could potentially distort and contort NRG's body. And you're saying Mario needs a way of manipulating particles? That's good, cause he has that. The Candies from Mario Party 8 allow the characters to reform their own matter by splitting themselves into a pile of particles and coming back together. Also, does NRG resist transmutation? While energy is intangible, Mario has noped intangibility before, so his attacks can land. Plus, Mario has artifacts that grant wishes, so he could just destroy him that way. The Lost Mushroom, the Star Rod, the Royal Stickers, and so on, all grant wishes.

5. Even if they moved across star systems in seconds, Mario moved across a universe in ten seconds. That's way faster, not to mention his higher feats.

Also, I brought up Mario's copies because of this: "Not to mention X's ability to literally make Mario either fight himself or never even exist." Blur was saying Alien X could make Mario fight himself, so, I brought up four other instances where Mario has defeated himself. Also, Alien X being 5-D is cool, but Paper Mario in the earlier stages of the series was 4-D and 5-D, and in Super Paper Mario, reached 11-D and, with the Pure Hearts, 12-D power. Each dimension is infinitely above the last, so Paper Mario stomps. I can explain the feat if you'd like.

Also... no. Paper Jam proved nothing. This blog holds many points, but not all of them. The thing is... Mario has no canon. Miyamoto confirmed in an interview with Game Informer that Mario is like a "troupe of actors" that can adopt virtually any role whatsover.

"If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon," Miyamoto said. "They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."

This is taken further by how literally all of the games reference each other, making them interconnected. Luigi's Diary in PM64, for example, makes a direct reference to the Mario Party, Mario Tennis and Mario Golf games, saying, and I quote, "I remember the carefree days when we played Golf and Tennis and had Parties." This shows that Paper Mario and Paper Luigi are literally the same character as normal Mario and Luigi.

Goomboss, originally from Paper Mario 64, says after he's defeated by Mario that he'll return and get revenge. Super Mario 64 DS rolls by, and he does just that, saying, "That Mario always stomps us... but now, the tables have turned!" This is to directly reference his last run-in with Mario in Paper Mario 64.

Furthermore, the Toadette trophy in SSBB describes Toadette in Mario Kart: Double Dash as the same character that appeared in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.

Speaking of TTYD, it solidifies that Mario and Luigi as well as all the others are the same as their Paper counterparts with its case which reads, I quote, "Get ready for a two-dimensional role-playing game for the ages as Mario returns to paper form to discover a mystery that sleeps behind an ancient, legendary portal called the Thousand-Year Door."

I could go on. Star Hill appears in Super Mario RPG, Partners in Time and Paper Mario 64, the Star Spirits appear in Paper Mario 64 and Mario Party 5, and even the best thing of all: Paper Jam never stated outright they were different people. Meanwhile, the series says Bowser and Dry Bowser are different when that's been proven wrong numerous times, and Paper Mario's trophies in Melee even says outright that Mario being paper is a design choice. Literally everything says Mario and Paper Mario are the same guy--this small thing that didn't even say much besides "oh, they can stand next to each other at the same time" should be treated as inconsistency, which is what Mario is. Also, to debunk that last part, too... If Paper Mario's another dude, then I guess Baby Mario and Doctor Mario are different Marios too, right? Even though they're canonically called out as the same guys and unanimously believed to be the same guy.

Paper Jam was for money, and that was it. Sorry for the wall of text, by the way.