Talk:Darth Vader VS Doctor Doom/@comment-5808856-20150610151136/@comment-5808856-20150610201208

Superman is only around the same power as Cell. The only way Goku could lose to ANY version of Superman is if they used Frieza Saga Goku. I hate Superman for SO many reasons. He feels like he has to solve EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM, cats in trees, burning buildings. All probles, not just the ones that only a being like him could do. It is why I side with Luthor against him. We can not become a stronger race with him being. By the time of GT, Goku IN BASE FORM exceeds the power of Buu, who there is NO doubt would destroy Superman. The only reason Superman won, was because "Goku needes to train"....if it was Frieza Saga or earlier maybe, but Cell Sage onward, no. It also does not help that Superman has no personality, and was made from crap character TO EVEN WORSE in that atrocious Man of Steel movie.Goku had to work hard to get to where he is today, while Supes was just born that way.....that is FAR less interesting.

Also, Hulk is awesome. He is superstrong, with no limit to it. He does not have a long list of unneeded powers, just to make him OP like laser-eyes and frost breath. He has just the right combination of stuff to suit his close combat fighting, such as the durability and healing. Strongest Being, yes. There is no doubt no-one has more brute strength than the Hulk.

I like super-powerful characters, unless they are ones lke Superman, where they have such a long list of un-needed powers. Even though my favorite Superhero is Wasp, and she is very under-powered.