Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-28834876-20160624144415/@comment-38965909-20191006224938

Alex1121 wrote: Dante hotspur wrote: The same broly that is weaker than  super perfect cell, (defeated by gohan who  at this point was weaker  in the cell games ). Youre fucking stupid. Weaker than Cell? Wtf Broly's power keeps increasing. Umm Hello??? Broly would just turn Supersaiyan Blue????? Or even Rose... or Supersaiyan Supersaiyan Blue...

Legendary Super Saiyan Blue Broly = 2.5 x Kaio-ken Supersaiyan Blue Goku (assuming Broly's power increases and his base is the same gap as gokus base in Black saga as it was in the First Broly Movie WHICH IT WILL since the writers have a nag for making frieza way stronger and keep up with goku and Broly will have gotten stronger from his in battle ability)

Technically either Zeno or 10 x Supersaiyan Rose Goku Black fused with an Immortal Zamasu would be the strongest char in existence. JL Superman is Fucked from Raditz. Raditz can solo the entire Justice League by himself. You know how much hell he would be to them? A moon buster piccolo who got scared half to death by raditz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj1jjgmOH8Q The weakest saiyans are twice as strong as doomsday in JL cartoon series. If are you talking about the comic then that's different.

Comic superman (most overpowered version of regular superman) can only bust a SOLAR SYSTEM with the help of an imp. Do you have any idea? How many solar systems are in a universe?

Supersaiyan god Goku and a HEAVILY SUPRESSED Beerus (maybe 10%) are universal busters.

At best in terms of SAME FEATS with spc cells solar system busting I have comic superman at SUPERSAIYAN 2 KID GOHANS POWER. Supersaiyan 2 from the cell saga or buu saga. Easily more than a solar system buster since cell who was 60% of gohan was one.

Supersaiyan 3 is x4 of ss2

Supersaiyan 4 is x10 of ss3

Supersaiyan 4 is = to God Base Ki or clone vegeta god base ki watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RzbzZ6I8P4)

Supersaiyan 1 god ki (goku turns supersaiyan in super) was stated to be x10 multiplier or base god ki and no longer 50. Meaning 2 must be double x20

Supersaiyan god is easily x50 of Base ki (in actuality ss3 god ki should be x80... and supersaiyan god ki should be x 100.... or more. (but... im being nice and following the original x50 multiplier....)

Supersaiyan god supersaiyan/blue is easily x60 of Base ki

Now include the zenkai's (goku has easily doubled his supersaiyan blue in the black saga) since the screwattack 1-2 fights and golden frieza fight

Supersaiyan rose is easily x2 of the goku black saga supersaiyan blue

(this is not including the HTC training Vegeta did for goku black which DOUBLED HIS POWER in this video to MATCH supersaiyan Rose...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nExjAegBkI At this point Goku and vegetas supersaiyan blue has doubled again and is equal to rose (or quadruple golden frieza or the screwattack version

Now include the fact that Broly's LSSJ was over x2 of Goku's since he felt NOTHING from his Kamehameha so lets assume he is x2.5 of Goku.

This is also not including that Goku has a x10 Kaio-ken.... or technically he can use a TIMES 20 KAIO-KEN from the frieza saga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIag_jSjJqk

Zeno from dragonball z was stated to be able to blow up 12 universes or erase anything or blink a universe

Even Superman Prime One Million spending 15,000 years in the sun would lose. 10-20x kaioken SSR Goku at this point can bust 100 universes so his kaio-ken would exceed the likes of Zeno in supersaiyan rose form and blink a universe out. One million loses power if the suns are gone. Do you have any idea how small a sun is to 100 universes... I doubt 15,000 years in the sun can make the difference between 12-100 universes and his solar system busting superman old self. You have to calculate how many solar systems would fit in 12-100 universes now... 15,000 years is not enough. Maybe in 15 quintillion years.

Superman gained a x3 increase from the sundipping in the comic. In the All star movie of superman, it was mentioned supermans strength increased by x2. TIMES BY TWO.

This means that superman prime one million is 30,000 x stronger than the solar system sneezing version of superman at best.

Meaning he is 30,000 Times stronger than Supersaiyan 2. Lets work out how much stronger (NOT USING x10 or x20 KAIO-KEN) Supersaiyan Rose Black/ Supersaiyan BLUE HTC goku/vegeta are to a supersaiyan 2 gohan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXwqUdWwSw

But wait.. theres more. Lets actually work out IF GOKU OR VEGETA in that video used Trunks's form... they would be even STRONGER. Easily another x2 (its just trunks was weaker than goku or vegeta initially, now imagine if they had Supersaiyan Supersaiyan Blue rather than regular Supersaiyan blue) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MBsRrQ_3cM (them in that form would be almost as strong as supersaiyan blue vegeto)

Goku or Vegeta or Broly (no kaio-ken or potara fusion) = x4 x10 x 60 x2 x2 x2 (if using broly an extra x2.5) of ss2 (+post black saga zenkai after the vegeto fight)

Superman one million = 30,000 x of ss2

So Legendary Supersaiyan Supersaiyan Blue Broly definitely kills One million. Supersaiyan Supersaiyan Blue Goku or Vegeta are x20,000 times stronger than ss2. Goku would win with kaio-ken but without it he would only slightly lose since him or Vegeta are 30% weaker than One million.

Now include the fact that Goku and vegeta will be even STRONGER in the saga after the Black saga from a zenkai. They are at that point around 22,000 x ss2.

They would be very strong in contrast to Superman one million assuming we had comic superman as strong as supersaiyan 2 Gohan. The difference would only be 25%.

Superman prime one million using 75% of his power would be equal to this form. Broly with that form however would dismantle him. It all depends on if the writers give broly the exact same zenkai goku has received in super and make Broly just as op as in the movie version. If he is he is almost twice as strong as superman one millions power coming in at 55,000 x ss2 Goku with the Kaio-ken would also murder Superman One million. Technically Goku is the strongest character if he uses Trunks's form with 10 x kaio-ken and would be 22,000 x 10 = 220,000 x ss2. (means with Kaio-ken Goku will always be 4 times stronger than Broly) All he needs to do is use it and he will kill Broly this fast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ge-uTEqPhI

Kaioken SSSSB Goku > LSSSSB Broly > Zeno > SP1M ~> Beerus = SSSSB > LSSB Broly ~> SSR Goku Black = SSB Vegeta HTC > SSB Vegeta > SSB Vegeta vs Golden frieza (4 times weaker than HTC)

Only Zeno, Broly and Goku using the Kaio-ken from DBZ can beat this Superman. broly turning ssgss on his own, without any traning from whis or any god kai? , yeah no