Talk:Goku VS Superman 2/@comment-395229-20181022195944/@comment-97641-20181024153806

Agreed. Both DC and DBZ are victims of powercreep, which just means that they are constantly trying to outdo themselves despite their characters being already OP to absurd degrees.

Goku can be defeated if facing a physically superior opponent; that's consistent, that's how he died many times in the past.

Superman is a bid odd as a combatant because 'writers do whatever the hell they please'. Superman still has the power of being indestructible; which is why his opponents use loopholes to bypass it. Kryptonite was the first direct weakness for Superman, and similar counters were introduced as time went on; Bizzaro can hurt Superman since they are on par with each other both being kryptonian, Parasite has the OP ability of just stealing his opponent's power, Mxyplyzyk is magical and so physical power is irrelevant to him.

Goku at full power can still be defeated. Superman at full power can only be defeated; by having his weaknesses exploited, be matched in power by an identical combatant, or facing an OP ability.

All American Boy is a good example; he's a kryptonian, can use adaptation to be immune to almost anything, and is made out of kryptonite. It's less about power and more about being a counter. http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/a/l/All_American_Boy.jpg

And before you say it; Batman uses kryptonite to defeat Superman, so saying 'Superman loses to Batman' is more like 'Superman loses to Kryptonite'. And even then that's not always the case: Supes defeated Kryptoniteman-Batman and Batman doesn't have a 100% win record against Superman. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c2/Superman_Batman_Vol_1_23_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161028210805

Full power Goku can be overpowered. Full power Superman needs to be exploited. I wanted Goku to win the Death Battle, but I accepted his defeat. Deal with it, like I have.