Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-30870165-20170828164606/@comment-31207910-20170904055033

Clockworx wrote: HenryKingofthePlebs wrote: Clockworx wrote: And about Mac being more durable. No.

Mac cannot take many hits from those guys before he's down for the count. Ippo can take blow after blow even while losing oxygen. And when Mac is hurt, he's hurt. But when Ippo's hurting, he'll somehow still dodge and form a plan. Ippo has gone 8 rounds before and he wears down boxers who can go 10. I really doubt Mac could wear him down seeing he only has ever done 3 rounds. Little Mac also gets tired after getting too many hits blocked, which will definitely happen with Ippo's fighting style.

As for Mac keeping up with Hondo, Ippo can create afterimages with his Dempsey Roll and in general. He faces boxers that do the same and he also dodged an absolute FLURRY of punches one time. 27 punches to be exact. It was like multiple fists at once. And it was all before the referee could react. Lowballing to 3 seconds, that's still 9 punches per second. About Mac being more durable: YES

First of all, you are confusing Durability (Being able to take hits) with Endurance (Being able to last long). In terms of durability, Mac can with stand Punches from Mr.Sandman, who we have previously established, can destroy a brick warehouse with his bare hands. After finding the average durability of a brick wall (8,300 psi), we convert it into Newtons per Squared Centimeter (N/^2 C), giving us 5722.65 Newtons. Comparing that to a human skull (2,300 Newtons), we see that Little Mac can survive hits twice the amount needed to KILL normal people!

In regards to the Dempsey Roll, Afterimages aren't anything new to Little Mac, as he's defeated Great Tiger, a man known for his afterimages, twice.

But the biggest piece of evidence that proves that Little Mac has the advantage is his strength. Little Mac has gone toe-to-toe with boxers way out of his weightclass and has not only held his own against them, he's climbed to the very top to become the World Champion and defend it against all comers, up until his retirement. He's defeated the 6'6" Russian monster Soda Popinski, as well as the 440 lb. canadian lumberjack The Bear Hugger. And finally, he's strong enough to knock down Bald Bull, who managed to withstand a fully grown bull's charge without falling down.

In conclusion, while Ippo has the advantage in speed, he has no chance of killing Little Mac, who is much more durable, experienced, and stronger than Ippo could ever hope to be. That's nothing new to Ippo. Ippo can take hits from Takamura, who punched out an Asian Black Bear and is able to lift a small truck. He survived a potentially fatal strike from Sawamura. And as mentioned before, he can power through blows even while losing oxygen. He used a fist that had the bone sticking out and survived a hit from Kojima Hisato, whose striking strength was calculated to be 2 tons of force. Ippo can take these kinds of blows and constantly get back up for way longer than Mac's maximum of 3 rounds. Not only does Mac take less hits before he's down and has less stamina, but Mr. Sandman didn't bust through the wall in one punch. Oh, and did I mention Ippo can still fight when unconcious?

Great Tiger doesn't create afterimages. They're magic clones. He has magic, not speed. A better example would be Piston Hondo, who only really did it in his intro to intimidate Mac.

I already agreed Mac had the strength and power advantage....but considering Ippo arm wrestled evenly with the aforementioned Takamura(they broke the table they arm wrestled on), accidentally smashed a sign out of the ground, can damage other boxer's fists through 16oz practice gloves(even leaving a mark on one boxer's torso), break ribs, smash through other boxer's guards, lift boxers up with uppercuts, make Karasawa feel like Ippo's body blow blew off a part of his body and make Gedo feel like his skull was shattered just by grazing his cheek, Ippo's not too far behind.

This isn't even considering the fact that Mac's opponents are hilariously predictable(exception of a few like Aran Ryan and Great Tiger, the former of which is still sorta predictable). Ippo also has more techniques than Mac does. Mac's best shot of taking Ippo down in the end is the Star Punch. Which is not very likely to hit considering it's slow and predictable if the opponent isn't set up right. Which will probably be the case considering Ippo's speed advantage.

Ippo and Mac are about even when it comes to strategy, Mac having the slight advantage due to Ippo sometimes rushing in, but since Mac is nothing new to Ippo while Ippo is a new kind of opponent for Mac, it balances out.

Ippo is more than tough enough to endure Mac's attacks and is more than capable of knocking him out. Mr.Sandman's feat wasn't good enough? Alright.

In the Balrog vs T.J Combo bout, it was calculated that T.J uppercutting the 550 lb. Fulgor unit 13 ft in the air was little over equal to Ballrog breaking an elephant skull with a 10 ton punch. Well, Mac has taken punches from Don Flamenco, who effortlessly uppercutted a bull (Which can weigh on average about 2,000 lbs) about 40 ft in the air. That's over 3 times the weigh over 3 times the distance!

Secondly, punching out an Asiatic Black Bear is not the feat you think it is, considering they only stand 6 ft at most and weigh on average 330 pounds (the average height and/or weight of Mac's opponents).

Thirdly, even when Mac is winded, he can still dodge and be completely rested afterwards.

So while both combatants are equal in tactics and Ippo has the advantage in speed and variety, it's still not enough to trump Mac's superior strength, durability, and experience. Afterall, how can Ippo expect to kill Mac if Mac has survived more and dealt just as much up until his retirement.