Talk:Roshi VS Jiraiya/@comment-27305742-20181107211344/@comment-2255534-20181107222518

That is very much true. As the original Dragon Ball series would be the best way to explain it, his moon mean shoed that his ki output (at his max potentially) was far greater than what his strength would actually suggest.

In fact, until Dragon Ball Super, he was physically than Goku a few years BEFORE Dragon Ball Z started. In fact, based on logical scalings, I would give Jiraiya the strength advantage for this fight.

I'm still on team Roshi myself, but I'm not making the mistake of undermining Jiraiya.