Talk:Mario VS Sonic/@comment-29933641-20170903214127/@comment-26374068-20171207150016

@Fox: Don't worry, I took no offense.

Mario is unfathomably stronger than Knuckles. Mario, in SPM, can still lift things in The Void, which gives him immeasurable lifting strength. Regardless, lifting strength is almost entirely non-combat applicable.

At best, your argument goes this far: Mario is a mix of Knuckles' strength, Amy's hammer skills, Blaze's pyrokinesis, Eggman's weaponry, and Shadow's hax. But the catch is, Mario exceeds all five of them in those respective areas. Just look above.

Meanwhile, Sonic restored 4-D time and space, against Mario, who could move without 11-D time and space. Mario even moved without 4-D time and space twice, so Sonic has no advantage there. Even if he did, Mario actually has fought and beaten someone like Sonic. Have you ever heard of Shy Ninja? He's a mini-boss in Paper Mario Color Splash, and is so fast, Mario and the whole world freezes when he moves. Mario ended up winning because he intellectually utilized his power-ups he had, and overcame Shy Ninja's insane speed advantage.