Talk:Roshi VS Jiraiya/@comment-25037311-20181110233912/@comment-27379005-20181111143126

^ Well, DBZ has 3 wins and 2 loses (without counting the rematch) so it isn't that bad.

And well, I personally wouldn't mind if DBZ takes L's as long as the outcome is right, and not all L's would necessarilly cause much DBZ fanboy rage, Buu losing to Kirby sounded dumb for most cuz they underestimate a pink cute ball, and Goku is very beloved. But for other fights like Piccolo vs MMH or Cell vs Amazo, and maybe Beerus vs Hades I think most DBZ fans would agree at least a bit, and anyone who disagrees would be debunked easily, and there are lots of popular DBZ matchu[s were DBZ stomps also. Anyways, I'd simply let the DBZ fanboys be if they rage.

As for Saitama, I think Ben currenlty refuses to use Saitama cuz we don't know his full potential yet, but when his time comes, I'd like to see him fight Popeye.