Talk:Mario VS Sonic/@comment-29933641-20170903214127/@comment-26374068-20171123004208

@Metallic: Bro, really, you need to stop rehashing the same arguments. I've countered these many times. If you want to ever convince me, try researching and playing fair, and abiding by VS Debating rules. There's no "physics" in fiction, so stop trying to apply it to them. We apply it to them to find powers and such, because that's what scaling is all about, but limiting them to physics doesn't work; we can't do it because we aren't powerful enough; fiction is made to be more powerful than us. So "aging" has nothing to do with scaling.

1. I countered this point. It says he ran endlessly until he found his way back to his world, but there's more than one issue with this feat: Finally, like I said above, "aging" has nothing to do with speed. If that were the case, these few examples of characters that age and have infinite/immeasurable/irrelevant speed would thus be wrong. But they aren't. It's how fiction works. Besides, having infinite or even immeasurable speed doesn't mean aging is nothing to you--that only happens when you reach Outerverse level with Irrelevant speed. Infinite speed means you abide by a higher speed. And same with immeasurable.
 * 1) He's seen looking down a hole at the time this text appears, so he likely found an exit of some sort. There's nothing else to really say anything else.
 * 2) It says he ran "endlessly," but that, in of itself, is a contradiction. If he had truly ran endlessly, he would have never made his way home. The feat contradicts itself while trying to sound cool.
 * 3) We don't know how long it took him, nor how far he traveled to find this exit. The guy you link to assumes Sonic runs the entire universe, but we have no proof he did, nor do we know how long it took him, so that calc is unreliable.

2. Sonic is not anywhere near as durable as Mario. Not only would he have died in that black hole without the Wisps to save him, but Mario has survived FAR worse. Blows from Universal+ and Multiversal characters, like Chakron, Galaxy Bowser, Wart, Culex, Dreamy Bowser and even more.

Power isn't everything either, but in terms of "wide margin gaps" of power and speed, my example shows clearly that power would prevail. If a shorter gap, speed could win. If given speed and hax, then power is more than likely not enough. But in this case, it's speed (Sonic) VS power and hax (Mario), and even Sonic having a speed advantage is up for debate. :/