Talk:Wario VS King Dedede/@comment-27921095-20190428225445/@comment-27921095-20190429052440

^ No. I'm saying that they should at least get in the MSS range like they were before, with Galacy level or higher being with the potential use of sufficient Power Stars or a Grand Star as Bowser showed.

Though, galaxy level Mario without Power Stars does have some evidence like Mario beating Bowser in base who WAS galaxy level given scaling and who went on to tank, at least in the Japanese tranlslations, a galactic big crunch.

There's also this void manipulation stuff I'm seeing for Mario characters, with Mario having Existence Erasure via a mop and Wendy supposedly coming back from being erased since it was her castle. Not sure if that kimd of regen can be scaled to others given how Star Children and even Power Stars should be at least >= the people who aren't Star Children or conparable to Power Stars. It could also explain away how Bowset didn't just erase the Bros. when having the full powers of the Dream Stone despite being adamant om doing so beforehand. Also hear Mario-Kun gives everyone some insane regen and toonforce to Mickey amd Bugs degrees.

Mario is on the cusp of being inpressive in the hax and abilities department, and I really wish they continue this zaniness that's been giving us such impressive feats.