Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31270269-20170521164627/@comment-33058187-20170625190326

Metal Mario875 wrote: 1. He literally was, as Culex's attacks are the same speed. Even if he wasn't, he was in the same dimensional rift Culex was. So it's valid either way. And so what? It's inconsistent? That's nothing new for the world of Mario.

2. If you can find stuff to back it up, go for it. Unfortunately, Sonic is consistent, and doesn't have a statement from his creator backing it up. Unlike Mario.

3. Those projectiles move faster than Mario does. If Mario is faster than Sonic, he isn't dodging that. And Mario actually can be argued to be faster.

4. I dunno what he was doing. What does Sonic like to do? Lounge around, eat a chili-dog? But we can't assume he was fighting just for the hell of it.

5. Remove the invulnerability? By using Chaos Control? I don't think so, bro. What makes you think that? And how would Sonic know Mario time traveled? Mario is far more likely to take up that chance first.

1. Oh, I dunno. Cause it makes him FAR stronger? Cause he has A LOT more abilities? Paper Mario is a very useful transformation.

3. Yeah, he kinda does. If he shoots a projectile, Mario's Hammer can deflect it. If he wasn't expecting Mario to suddenly whip out a Hammer (similar to how Fire Mario used it in Death Battle), it could catch him off-guard. And you speak as if that's the only piece of equipment he has. Allow me:

Standard Equipment: A myriad of Power-ups, Megavitamins, the Miracle Cure, Cannon Block, Flash Block, Propeller Block, Coin Block, Ice Skate, Kuribo's Boot, Spiny Helmet, Beetle Helmet, Super Scope, two Hammers (M&L and Paper Mario), two Star Rods (Mario Party and Paper Mario), Star Driver, Spin Drill, F.L.U.D.D., Battle Cards, Copy Block, Badges, Crystal Stars, Sticker Album/Royal Stickers, Color Cards & Paint, Pure Hearts, Feather, Super Suit, Mega Glove, Ultra Hammer and Lazy Shell. In the movie, he has a van, a wrench, Bob-ombs, Thwomp Boots, a Banzai Bill, a flamethrower, a Fireball Cannon and a Devolution Gun

Sonic might wanna be careful.

4. You should also keep in mind that Mario can do it, too. And he can create barriers. And he can bypass durability. And he can raise his stats whilst lowering his foes. All of that's from the Battle Cards alone. He has plenty of hax besides those, too. And Super Sonic fully scales to Solaris, yes. But RPG Mario scales to Dreamy Bowser. Here's calculations for the amount of universes the two effected: 533,232,837,166,140 VS 29,220,000,000,000,000
 * Solaris: Since Sonic Shuffle was released in 14 November 2000, and for the sake of lowball, let's take a look at the world's population mid year figures in 2000 which was 6,082,966,429. And to get the total number of timelines that existed in the Sonicverse, let's look at the world's average life expectancy in 2000. If you take a closer look it's barely sitting above 60 years which is a safe lowball. There are an average of 365.25 days per year so 365.25 x 60 = 21,915 days on average that each person has lived to dream per night. Each person can dream 4 to 7 times per night so let's lowball the number of dreams to 4 per night so 21,915 x 4 = 87,660 times each person dreams in their lifetime now unto working out the answer... 87,660 x 6,082,966,429 = 533,232,837,166,140 dreams that was in the MaginaryWorld, which is lowball. Dreams are universes in said game. Credit to Adam for the calc.
 * Dreamy Bowser: The Dream Stone has existed for, at least, an entire era. As stated by, like, everyone in Dream Team, the prosperity of the Pi'illo Kingdom dated back to an entire era ago. According to the Geological Time Scale, an era would be 100,000,000 years ago. Because there dozens of innumerable species on Pi'illo Isle, including Nommon, Hooskis, countless monsters, guardians such as Mammoshka and Zeekeeper, the Pi'illos, etc. Let's assume the smallest island population, which is 100,000. It is shown dozens of times throughout the game--what with Big Massif, Dr. Snoozemore, Mammoshka, etc. that the characters fall asleep numerous times a day due to Pi'illo Island's strange sleepy wavelength. We'll use as many low-ends as possible. 100,000 x 365.25 = 36,525,000. Because people dream 4 to 7 times a night--and people on Pi'illo Isle dream multiple times, we'll use the low-end and assume they all sleep twice. 36,525,000 x 8 = 292,200,000. Finally... 292,200,000 x 100,000,000 = 29,220,000,000,000,000 dreams are in the Dream Stone. Dreams are universes in this game as well.

Dreamy Bowser takes it. Both are low-ends. Assuming high-ends doesn't help any, it just makes Dreamy Bowser even stronger. So, RPG Mario literally one-shots Solaris. And Mario can time travel, so, he destroys present Solaris, then proceeds to time travel and kill each Solaris. I have a question:

I was reading some of your Fanon posts, (Dimentio vs. Mephiles) and you seem to have some really credible evidence, research, etc. This may seem random, and doesn't hove much to do with Mario vs. Sonic 2 (I believe Mario wins, by the way), how does Dreamy Bowser scale up to Dimentio. I'm pretty sure Dimentio is more powerful, but I've just always wondered this.