Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20170606023747/@comment-27737315-20170906034822

TheMetallicBlur wrote: MicDaniel wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: MicDaniel wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: MicDaniel wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: MicDaniel wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: MicDaniel wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: MicDaniel wrote: I'm gonna have to say Mario and Luigi.

Both Mario and Luigi are more experienced, stronger, durable and versitle, while Tails might be smart, most of his planning requires him time and he's usually never seen planning during a fight, I also doubt that he'll even have time to think while fighting the Bros, while Sonic is fast, he's not too fast for the plumbers, he faster on his feet but in direct combat Mario and Luigi will easily keep up and pressure the hedgehog, Sonic's fighting will be predictable considering he uses dancing to fight and Mario already a good break dancer. The Mario Bros also has better communication as revealed in yoshix island that Mario has. Telepathic bond with his little brother.

That's my 2 cent.

1. Sonic has beaten foes who have far more combat experience than Mario and Luigi combined.

2. Right, because Tails doesn't do that against Chaos 4.

3. Sonic is not too fast for the plumbers? Sonic is faster than the speed of light. 9000 miles per hour would be too fast for them, let alone the speed of light.

4. Do you have any idea how much MORE predictable Mario's fighting style is?

5. They only used that when they were babies. To assume that they trained with it is not accurate because it was never said. 1.Mario has been fighting ever since he was a small child, and through out his life growing up he's beaten a whole alien armada, in his older years he shows that he's a great combat leader a tactians in super Mario rpg and M&L series, he was also able to beat trained Marines, ninjas, acient mystical guardians and a temporal omniscient creature named culex, Mario easily outclass sonic in experience.

2.i watched the fight, Tails doesn't say or even mentions a plan during that fight.

3.Mario was able to outswim a blackhole not mention Dodge laser easily, to take his speed further Mario was able to Dodge Galaxy Bowser attacks who was able to hit star ship Mario which has been proven to cross a whole ocean cluster of galaxies in under a minute easily, Bowser was also powered up by a grandstar as well, Mario is fast enough to keep up sonic and seeing how Luigi is usually faster than Mario, so can Luigi.

4.Not that predictable, if a being that can see the future can't predict what he's doing than sonic won't either.

5.just Saying that they can't use is it bcuase it's been awhile is also an assumption not to mention that there isn't anything saying the they can't use it.

1. Has Sonic taken on those things too? And for the record, how do you know he fought as a kid or teen?

2. Or maybe Tails comes up with a plan in his head. Ever think of that? and Sonic's not bad of a strategist either. And don't twist my words and say that I said that Sonic is as smart as Tails.

3. That same black hole is something Toad can escape. That's how you know it's weak. No, the meteorites hit Starship Mario.

4. You really think Sonic's fighting style is that predictable? Ha!

5. But how do you know it'll be powerful enough to help? Plus, in order to use it to its greatest value, they'd need to know what's happening to their brother while trying to stay alive. 1.sonic is usually seen fighting his friends or robots, the closet he got to a marine was a gun soilder in a robot mech, and look up M&L partners in time, baby Mario is seen fighting armies of alien soilder.

2.Weak, your using an assumption, there is no evidence that Tails thought up of a plan during that fight, until actual evidence is shown then don't brother bringing it back up again. Sonic isn't much of a strategists he usually uses his speed to beat his opponent and when someone is just as fast or near his speed he struggles greatly.

3.Toads have actually been shown to run faster than Mario, not to mention toads are highly intelligent, being about to make zero gravity gonkart and space ships to fly through space, toads aren't weak so that argument is invalid.

4.It is, Sonic realize on out speeding his opponent, and when in direct combat he uses break dancing mixed with martial arts, both of which Mario and Luigi can easily handle.

5.Are you serious? The telepathic bond that they share was used by the Yoshi's so they could help baby Mario find Luigi, there telepathic bond literally allows one brother to know where the other one is at a tell what kind of trouble there in, it's strong enough to help.

1. So you're telling me that Mario wins because h'es fought a marine? No.

2. so what? You think Tails just rushed in swinging? Sonic is able to strategize in his Werehog form. This is impressive for three reason. reason 1 is because in this form, Sonic is a little more feral. Reason 2 is because the Werehog form strips Sonic of his speed. I guess you were wrong about that too! Reason 3 is because Sonic is given powers he's not familiar with like stretchy arms.

3. If toads are so strong, why can't they resist Bowser?

4. Sonic is able to read the movement of Knuckles, who moves faster than Mario. Mario's fighting style is WAY more predictable.

5. Telepathy =/= Sensing where someone is. 1.No I'm saying Mario is more skilled because he fought a more diverse set of people not to mention the Marines were mutant sea creatures with super capabilities.

2.There is no evidence that he had a plan to begin with. Sonic's strats were to use over whelming strength to beat his opponent than actually using strategy, that was the whole point of the form, Sonic didn't need speed because of the forms brute strength and advance durability, something his bas form lacked and the werehog form Sonic much more easy to hit, there was no strategy bhind his fighting.

3.They have if you've ever played new super Mario Bo's wiiu and super Mario 3d world.

4.Knuckles isn't faster than Mario, Mario is massively faster than light while knukles is at massively hyper sonic, not to mention knuckles is massively predictable.

5.It is telepathy if you have the literally ability to sense exactly where someone is an tell wheay kind of trouble there in and the game even said that it was telepathic.

1. a more diverse set? Ha! When has Mario faced off against knights and evil genies?

2. So you're telling me that Tails rushed in swinging? If that won't convince you. How about the fight with the Egg Golem. Sonic has to wait for the Egg Golem to attack first, then he has to wait for it to turn around. Then, he has to climb it's steps by using the Bound Jump and then use the Homing Attack on its weak spot. Sonic bosses aren't a turtle you can just step on.

3. there's a difference between accompanying a hero and do the adventure yourself.

4. Mario can only move at those speeds via Launch Star. And if Mario is that fast, why can't he run on water without a powerup?

5. Last I checked, telepathy is the ability to read minds, not Observation Haki. And why qould they have to resort to telepathy. The haven't needed it before so why would they need it now?

Next time, do your research on Sonic the Hedgehog. 1.wow you just asked me to my sonic research when no nothing on Mario, Mario has fought knights, aliens, Invaders from an alternate dimension, multiple evil genies and even himself, he's fought literally almost everything and then some.

2.the game make it pretty obvious that was exactly what he did. Actually that didn't happen,on an evil story playthrough it shows sonic simply just jumping and kicking the mind control helmet. Not all Mario enemies are turtles that are killed with one jump, Mario has fought enemies that can stop time and also invunerable enemies as well, he easily beat them by carefully mangeging his items and leading him and his brother to victory, he also pays attention to enemies movements finding opening to attack or ways to move down there defense or reflecting there attacks.

3.thwre is no difference if your actually helping the hero through the adventure, which they did do so that argument is moot.

4.first off, Mario was able to outswim a blackhole and walk near blackhole without being effect, not to mention gransstar Bowser can't keep up with him and he's massively faster than light so Mario can move at those on his own. Second sonic deosnt always have the ability to run on water in some of his games.

5.if the game said it was telepathy then Mario was reading Luigi's mind allowing him to know where his brother was and how he was feeling. Just because they don't resort to it doesn't mean they won't use it.

I honestly know enough about sonic to have this argument.

1. The knights Mario fought were generic enemies while the ones Sonic fought were bosses. And I looked it up and the only genie that appeared in a Mario game was fought by Wario.

2. So you're telling me that even with his maneuverability and dodging chaos 4's attacks, he still did nothing? And you say I didn't do enough research. Also, I'm talking about what he did in the hero story. Stop twisting my words around.

3. If you're helping the hero, you're not doing the adventure yourself.

4. The fact that Mario can swim in space makes it unbelievable. If you're talking about the black hole in Galaxy, it didn't even suck up houses. Mario doesn't have the ability to run on water in any games.

5. That also means that Sonic would use his long range attacks even though he doesn't resort to them. 1.You obviously half did your research because you would know the knights Mario fought actually wear armor and has had formal training, not to mention some of which had training from martial arts master, I can also tell you half did your research because you didn't even bother look up Super Mario rpg, legend of the seven starts, on of Mario enemies that he meets along the way was an evil genies and there was multiple of them.

2.Theres a difference between strategising and reacting reacting requires no thought while strategizing requires thought and countering. Im not twisting your words, I'm stating facts in the evil story mode of sonic Advent 2 battle it clearly shows that sonic did nothing of what the boss battle showed.

3.Contributing to the adventure shows that your near or on par with the person your following.

4.Theact a hedgehog can run faster than light is unbelievable, the fact said hedgehog can breath in space but drown in water is unbelievable, there fictional character dude, alot of what they do is unbelievable. the blackhole in Galaxy was stated to !assive threat on the fabric of the universe in the official guide book of super Mario galaxy,. No you didn't get the point I was trying make, the point is that gameplay restricts characters from doing certainly things, like how sonic can't run faster than light during or how knuckles in the classic games can't swim but in the modern he can.

5.I don't care, if he was shown using it then he'll use it.

1. Ever heard of these things called the Knights of the Round Table? They were so formidable that even after slaying a dragon, Sonic needed training from Caliburn and Merlina.

2. Dude, the evil stroyline is not gonna focus on Sonic. The same thing you're doing. What's next? Sonic has no ranged attacks?

3. So does that mean that Ash's Noctowl can beat his Charizard? No.

4. It may be fiction, but that doesn't mean there can't be any realism involved.

5. What makes you think they'll resort to things they haven't used in a long time? 1.the knights of the round table were literally Sonic's friends from an alternate dimension, one of them nearly and I being serious, one of them endded there own life because they lost one battle.Culex was stated to be a literal with the capabilities to conquer world's and he wanted to fight the worlds stongest knight which turned out to be Mario.

2.The evil story line also shows what happens through the perspective of the villian which is Canon and it clearly showed sonic just jumping  and kicking a mind control module. Not be rude but your the only who's reacting without proper thinking, I know about both Mario and sonic but you lack proper knowledge on Mario.

3.Actually yes, with proper training it is highly possible for ashes noctowl to beat Charizard, in the sinnoh season of Pokemon an elite 4 member proved that it's possible to teach Pokemons to ignore type damage completely so you analogy fell apart quickly.

4.Yes that's true but you really can't decide how much can be applied without self contradiction.

5.Because there really isn't anything saying they won't do it.