Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-39967096-20200106205941/@comment-31067519-20200107011842

Heavily disagree. Carnage's speed was incredibly lowballed (scaling to feats like Spider-Man dodging lightning and blitzing a Poison Iron Fist which > base Iron Fist dodging bullets in microseconds, both of which are far superior to the Mach 2 DB gave him) and should be over twice as fast as Lucy and her vectors. It was also implied that she can just casually extend her vectors' 2 meter range limit at any point and go for vector nukes at any point; we're deliberately shown that it isn't something she can do at any moment (if it were, she would've extended her vectors to even the odds against Nana and Mariko), and in fact takes a massive toll on her body, and she likely wouldn't even think of her vector nukes or extending her range in time before Carnage's superior speed lets him cut her down first.

This is a minor nitpick, but they also somewhat lowballed Carnage's intelligence, portraying him as a mindless marauder, when in reality he's actually rather perceptive in fights and has used somewhat clever strategy when he feels or notices that just going ham might not cut it (i.e. figuring out the jewel on Man-Wolf's chest was a weak point mid-fight, outflanking Spider-Man with his tendrils in their very first fight). If he notices some invisible limbs guarding Lucy's physical body, he'd at least be smart enough to not constantly engage her guarded front and find a way to outmaneuver/outflank her while still fighting (probably maneuvering tendrils behind her or underground beneath her and strike while she's focused on him).

This last one isn't really their fault, but I feel like we'd have to factor in Dark Carnage - where he bonded with the powerful Grendel symbiote - since he's technically Cletus's EoS and he's had that form for quite some time, enough to score several major feats and scalings. Considering Dark Carnage could duke it out with a symbiote-enhanced Savage Hulk, is undoubtedly leagues faster than before and has gained immunity to heat... yeah, that sort of finishes it for Lucy, who even at EoS isn't that powerful.

Sorry for the great wall of text.