Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-26458478-20151110034754/@comment-26978720-20151111234939

MagicRock wrote: Superbuting wrote: MagicRock wrote: Superbuting wrote: MagicRock wrote: Arigarmy wrote: Quauntonaut wrote: Dedede can give Kirby trouble, and barely get beat by him, while Bowser almost always gets beat by Mario Actually, there's a difference there.

Pretty much 99.99% of the times Bowser is beaten is caued by either his contraptions working against him or the environment. Tell me one time Bowser was beaten down and defeated for good by Mario with the use of fisticuffs and physical assault straight up.

You could say Mario and Luigi series, but didn't you say that was a different universe in itself? You beat Bowser with physical assault in Mario Galaxy and Mario Galaxy 2 In both galaxy 1 and 2, it's still the enviroment working against Bowser. In most of these cases, the enviroment makes Bowser vunerable, allowing Mario/Luigi to hit Bowser. The brothers wouldn't be able to hurt Bowser otherwise. Ok, but it wouldnt really matter anyway since he still becomes bones from lava when Dedede has survived a planet sized explosion. Soooo... 2 things 1. in Galaxy 2 Bowser survived being sucked into a black hole twice and 2. Bowser doesn't always become bones when he's submerged in lava. Also, Koopas seem to have the ability to survive as just s skeleton, as seen with the Mario enemies: Dry bones. And according to Ultraguy's Bowser blog, Dry Bowser can be broken apart, but just like every other Dry Bones out there, can reassamble himself. 2 things

1. Bowser did not survive a black hole, this has been said and explained multiple times yet that is the only durability feat you can come up with besides lava

2. If Bowser is as tough as you say, why does he even need Kamek to use magic on him so he can survive in the New Super Mario Bros series. I mean, if he can "survive" a black hole, I'm pretty sure he can survive lava. Watch some SMG2 final boss gameplay footage sometime. You'll know what I'm talking about.