Talk:Mario VS Sonic (2018)/@comment-34495727-20181020033932/@comment-24672909-20190810111328

1. They deliberately left out quite a large chunk of Sonic's information though. If anything, they were anything BUT generous with Sonic, actually. Even using Sonic from his mainline appearances should make him exponentially more formidable of an opponent than they presented him being. (Using Super Sonic's trophy description from Smash Bros just screams "deliberate nerf" when literally every official Sonic source contradicts it, and Smash Trophies are notorious for having inaccuracies. By that same logic, the fact that Sonic was able to weaken Tabuu when literally nobody else could should make Sonic more powerful.)

2. '''"They meant that he couldn't use it in canon on HIS OWN. Whenever Sonic used Chaos Control, it was always with the help of Shadow (who can ACTUALLY use Chaos Control on his own)." '''Then what's this?  Or this? Just because Sonic is more reluctant to use Chaos Control and simply relies on his own speed when given the choice doesn't mean he out-and-out can't actually use it. Not to mention that Sonic has quite a few other means of slowing down time, or even stopping it in its tracks. (Such as the Red Gem, Time Stop/Break, or even his own speed)

3. Firstly, refer to my previous point. Secondly, so what if Sonic can't exactly time travel? He's shown countless times to be fast enough to traverse entire dimensions (Rivals 2, the Storybook games, and Forces being the biggest examples).

4. Which goes against what his speed actually is. According to DB's own logic, Sonic's speed when using the Light Speed Dash in Sonic Unleashed clocks in at a much lower measure than Sonic's usual running speed. This would mean that Sonic would be at least 9x faster than light.

5. Given that they made such an error (Sonic's maximum speed being labelled as far lower than in-universe, and Mario's overblown reaction speed given the wrong figure to go with Wiz's claims), I don't need to go much further than "Mario's had more instances of struggling to react to things slower than what DB presented, and Sonic's only been blindsided by beings or things as fast as (if not faster than) himself."

6. The longest Super Sonic has ever lasted was an entire consecutive week. The whole "rings drain per second" thing is entirely a gameplay machanic. Given that Sonic has been shown to remain in his own Super form for far longer durations, the same can be said for Sonic's Hyper form. And I highly doubt that Mario would have enough power-ups at his disposal to last an entire week straight.