Talk:Bayonetta VS ???/@comment-25182985-20160126011235/@comment-28349443-20160126025001

Don Flamenco is weaker compared to the other characters in Punch-Out!! (btw he solos the Rockyverse just as easily as Mac does). Mac still beat him, I never said easily.

"Doc has never at any point in time been seen fighting. While he was a former boxer, now all he really is is some fat guy with a taste for chocolate. There's also never been anything to suggest he was superhuman in the past anyway."

You fight Doc Louis in Punch-Out!! Wii as a special boss character, and even then, him outpacing Little Mac at all on a bike makes him superhuman.

"He did defeat Mr.Sandman eventually. But it wouldn't have been because he tanked all of those punches. More on this ina moment."

I legit don't understand your point here. He beat Mr. Sandman fair and square, so he scales to his power. Little Mac can bring down buildings, end of story.

"Little Mac has better feat in context, but as I argue, it's not because of any raw talent or skill, or even superhuman strength. Just like us, the player, Little Mac would've won most of those fights by taking the abuse, learning from those mistakes, and not let his ass get kicked the next few times. That's basically Punch-Out in a nutshell."

Well...too bad actually because Mac having better strength and speed logically means he beats Rocky. Rocky has zero hax abilities to speak of so Mac having even slightly above wall level DC means he obliterates.

"Whether they're cartoony or not is not an issue. It doesn't change the fact Little Mac is really that different from a real life featherweight boxer whose never give up attitude allowed him to eventually beat the best of the best. The keyword being "eventually"."

Ok this is just fucking wrong. Little Mac isn't that different from a real life boxer are you shitting me? Have you even looked at some of the stuff Little Mac fights on a daily basis? Little Mac keeping up with Piston Honda, Mr. Sandman, Don Flamenco, etc.? Rocky loses fights more often than Mac. Mac has actually never canonically lost a fight, while Rocky has, and people Rocky has lost against wouldn't stand a chance against Little Mac either.

You have not made any good points here, and most of the stuff you've said is flat out wrong.