Talk:Venom VS Bane/@comment-27416494-20170311013113/@comment-26333134-20170311101523

Eddie Brock's Venom/Anti-Venom/Toxin (despite his "not really voluntary" involvement, Brock, from what I know, Always influenced the Symbiotes personality with his own way to see justice, as dark, gritty, and anti-heroic as it is; he never really betrayed himself; if by "betraying" we don't mean hunting his own previows symbiotes almost everytime he changes them XD); as for Batman, that's Joker, no need to explain: he's a "beautiful" villain, the prototype of the modern complex bad guy; there are many theories as for why he does what he does, and maybe one day we'll find out for real, but the point is that the Joker, as not powerfull, IS the Bad Guy: Evil, Mad, with a totally personal view of life, and totally capable of influencing Others by only using his words...and maybe some chirugical isntrument and chimical elements to make the job easier. So yes, Eddie Brock's Venom, Anti-Venom and Toxin, and The Joker.