Talk:Lucario VS Renamon/@comment-26333134-20170725224059/@comment-25620113-20170726130558

@ AnglsFire

MetalMario has shown himself to be completely biased and unreliable. He uses Paper Mario feats for Mario himself and claims that they are the same entity when Paper Jam showed that they are not. He tried to quantify the amount of universes Solaris was destroying when Eggman clearly says ALL existing timelines and tried to do this via using a colleration between the Sonicverse and the amount of people in the real world. His only reason for doing this was to prove that Paper Mario had a better feat when in fact both feats are unquantifiable. He also makes the same mistake you are making which is that he assumes that dodging or tagging something was going at its max speed when it clearly was not.

Furthermore even if we were to use the infinite speed feats, Sonic would still have better speed via being more consistent. While both have been in timeless voids, Sonic runs so fast that he can restore the space-time continuum while in said timeless void while Mario can only really act like he normally does. Sonic accomplished this in his base form and as Super Sonic moves much faster, I think its reasonable to assume Sonic takes speed here.

Also one cannot utilize the Culex feat. Its an optional boss fight and as such Mario did not canonically fight him. As for who would atually win if we composited both, I don't know. Both characters have reached absurd levels of power. Both have reached a point in which they have immeasurable feats that simply cannot be quantified.