Talk:Goku VS Superman 2/@comment-14017325-20160406151545/@comment-24152851-20160413023152

I also used evidence that Superman can't be limitless because his power sources are not limitless. Any sun he charges up on is not infinite, and will burn out eventually. Sure you can argue the sun's power is colossal compared to anything and anyone. But that doesn't change the fact that it's not infinite. "Finite limited energy source = finite limited power for the Solar Battery known as Superman".

There's also me bringing up Superman does not always succeed in every physical feat. Since he does not have a 100% success rate, then clearly he is not limitless. You can argue that it's a mental strain all you like, that does not change the fact that he is NOT an omnipotent god who can do whatever he wants.

And that's where your argument gets problematic. With fight threads you MUST use the maximum confirmed proven onscreen feat. You cannot speculate "because he's theoretically limitless, we can make him do whatever we want in this fight". Why? Because anyone can say that for any character to ever exist. More commonly known as fanboy logic.

Doesn't matter why it happens in stories. With What-If fight you need to ignore PIS and asspulls, and just use the facts that are shown. Regardless of why he doesn't succeed all the time, you cannot change the fact that he doesn't. Hence NOT limitless.

Well genius, what do inhibitors and mental strain qualify as? Surprise! Those are limitations!

But they are not allowed to make up and theorize his maximum potential. Only what is his absolute highest/most impressive feat he has performed onscreen. They pulled this BS in that fight by saying "if Goku could find a way to draw energy across multiverses, his spirit bomb could possibly achieve the kind of limitless power to match Superman." Superman has been beaten by far less than multiverse levels of power before on countless occasions.

I brought that up to show the sun wasn't limitless, and evidence that Superman wasn't limitless. I never said the fight would go on for several billion years. Because you kept bringing up "Superman has no limit" as the go to answer for everything, and I was invalidating that claim.

I'm not gonna get into that immortality stuff. Not relevant in this discussion. Thank you.

And I just said no matter what is powering Supes, none of those are limitless. Unless he gets powered by the Big Bang which created the universe, nothing else can give him infinite power.