Talk:Darth Vader VS Doctor Doom/@comment-76.16.122.255-20150610001359/@comment-5994448-20150610043225

I really want examples of Vader being a tactician. Palpatine, yeah, Vader, no. Vader isn't even a good leader and has fucked up so many times and gotten his ass kicked so many times in one on one fights. Doom on the other hand takes on tons of people at ones who could go toe to toe with most Jedis. Also as for the lightsaber, Dooms armor can also generate a force field that has tanked shit like the Infinity Gauntlet and The beyonders power. He has shown to have mastery in the mystic arts and a very strong will power, not to mention easiely being  able to figure out any form of tech, alien or otherwise. I love Vader and I don't see it compeltly one sided but I do see it as a win for Doom.