Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171105172153/@comment-31816534-20171107023619

Savage Samurai wrote: 1) Eh. given that we are using only feats from the original series in this section, Upgrade is still a bit iffy and struggled to even defeat Rojo who is far less complex than Mega Man.

2) So? At this point in the series Jury Rigg's only feats were destroying Kevin's car and repairing an evolution ray. Even then, Kevin easily overpowered Jury Rigg so its safe to say Mega Man could as well.

3) Agreed.

4) DJW is extremely unrealiable even by Ben 10 wiki's standards. As Kuro best put it, DJW states things that are in his own ideal version of Ben 10, rather than the actual show. He had a hard on for OS so hard that he essentially tried to retcon everything AF/UA brought to the series.

Proof that OS and OV Ben 10k are different entities:

OS had a daughter named Gwendolyn whereas OV doesn't and essentially proving that he is an unreliable source. There's also the fact that OS Ben 10k never had the Omnitrix recalibrated which clearly seperates him from everything after AF. OS Ben 10k thought Devlin was Kevin because he was mutated jjust like Kevin 11, indicating that Kevin never reformed (he was surprised to see Kevin 11 out of the null Void) and that Ben had never seen Kevin in any form other than Kevin 11 meaning he had not come into contact with Colossus Kevin, Ultimate Kevin and those two other forms in Omniverse.

1. Keep in mind that was Upgrade starting out.

2. Fair enough, but Ben could always bust out Ultimate Way Big.

4. While DJW isn't reliable, The OS version of Ben came from the timeline when Ben never sacrificed the Omnitrix in Alien Force's season finale, so the idea of them being the same person would make some sense.