Talk:Darth Vader VS Doctor Doom/@comment-4450205-20150622212907/@comment-25182985-20150622213539

Darkseid wins.

Darkseid's true essence exists on another plane of existence. He's a God of Evil. Final Crisis establishes that he "won a war in heaven" but that the cost was basically his fall onto OUR plane of existence.

A being of such power (who was dying btw) caused the entirety of the universe to collapse in on itself, space and time distorting into a singularity. That singularity, of course, was Darkseid simply EXISTING.

His divine status made it so that he actually survived COIE, so his Pre-Crisis (avatar) feats are perfectly legit, meaning that even as an avatar he would casually solo (Darkseid being casually > Pre-Crisis Supes whose stats I don't think I need to mention).

There's also the fact that Darkseid literally feeds on negative emotions to strengthen himself.

The fact that Darkseid was dying and also destroying a universe speaks to how ungodly powerful he is. Imagine if he wasn't dying. The Monitors considered him a threat, and they're guardians of the multiverse.

Even if we just include Thanos vs an Avatar of Darkseid, the Big D still absolutely destroys. This is a guy who passively absorbed the power from legit skyfathers and then proceeded to beat the piss out of Pre-Crisis Kryptonians (who were being absurdly amped by Izaya at the time) and teleporting planets cross-dimensionally with his mind.

And then he whined about how weak he was compared to himself in his prime.

Overall Darkseid definitely wins.