Talk:Roshi VS Jiraiya/@comment-26915466-20181129022927/@comment-26915466-20181130050645

Also, Superman has his high-ends all the time. Doesn't change anything. He also has abysmal low-ends. Quite an equal number of them too. So in the end, what determines who beats Superman, is simply who's writing for him, unless you want to go with the strongest version of Superman, which does win, which makes a rematch pointless. But as writers, since they're independent creators themselves, I think Ben and Chad have a duty to show Goku winning over Superman just once. Especially since Ben himself conceded there are iterations of Superman Goku beats.