Talk:Goku VS Superman/@comment-25969827-20150626225202/@comment-25969827-20150704191656

I'm just going to quote Proto Dude(The creator of Fatal Fiction) on this one.

I can not speak for New 52 since I do not care for it nor have kept up with it, but Post-Crisis and Pre-Crisis Superman are both more than powerful enough to get the job done without effort.

Pre-Crisis Superman is at least septillions of times the speed of light due to crossing several billion light years in under a second http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152538/3736883-fx3ze.jpg

and he has been demonstrated to use that speed in mid-combat, using it as a hax to phase through attacks by travelling backwards in time via that speed to mess with his enemy: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/goku-vs-superman-vs-naruto-vs-ichigo-vs-luffy-vs-hst-vs-dragon-ball-z-vs-bleach-x-39853.jpg http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/goku-vs-superman-vs-naruto-vs-ichigo-vs-luffy-vs-hst-vs-dragon-ball-z-vs-bleach-x-39854.jpg

His hax aside from travelling through time at will: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74629/1398624-pc3kz3.jpg

Include basically making up powers on the fly and eventually he overcame even his magic vulnerability to the point of spinning spells around: http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ActionComics_527-05.jpg

And basically transmuting shit to create things such as stars: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111935/2472927-superman58_pg46.jpg

Aside from strength and durability that allows him to go toe-to-toe with skyfather level threats? In his youth he could already move entire galaxies on a chain: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120918014615/superman/images/9/9f/Superman_Drags_Planets.jpg

And tank the force of 100 galaxies only to be like "yikes, maybe I am in trouble after all!" http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/33308/1675300-show1.jpg

There's also the fact his sneeze alone destroyed a solar system (which people say was the power of Mxy's magic powder but that makes no sense as it would be literally the only time he was amped by magic; the dust just made him unable to control his sneeze. This is further supported by the fact civilians were unable to even destroy a car after sneezing from the dust)

As for Post-Crisis? Well he does have feats putting his physicality in the thousands of supernovae range: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18296

And is faster than Wonder Woman who deflected pieces of shattered god in mid-combat which traversed the universe in seconds: http://i50.tinypic.com/r1gdie.jpg

So overall I still have to give it to Supes, however I am generally a huge DC supporter who could care less for Dragonball and does not believe in power level/number scaling so feel free to take my words with a grain of salt, at the end of the day just my 2 cents