Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-26458478-20160124012525/@comment-26418719-20160521002024

I said I wasn't using Pre-Crisis because Pre-crisis is frankly speaking absurd and not even quantifiable. Even the Pre-Genesis Wave Comics have some degree of being able to be quantified. I don't use Pre-Crisis because it's just frankly toonforce at its most prominent outside of things like Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse. On top of that, the reboot removed all their powers.

Scaling for DC and Marvel goes by different rules than other fiction due to how inconsistent it is. That's what you don't seem to freaking get. Scaling in DBZ and Kirby is reasonable, because the winners in their fights are clear-cut and don't often depend on the writer preferring one particular character over the other. DC Comics and Marvel are notorious for characters winning depending on the current writer's preferences (LOOKING AT YOU, DEADPOOL KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE). To scale The Flash's strength to someone, we have to find someone who, across media, he is consistently referred to as having or demonstrates equal physical strength to Superman's.

Also, comparing Flash to Superman means nothing unless it explicitly states that Flash is as strong or as durable as Superman with sufficient evidence to back it up. Simply sending Superman flying by shoving him does not freaking count as a strength feat. Superman being worried about stopping the Flash doesn't count as power scaling for The Flash. Is The Flash as dangerous as Superman? Yes, of course. The Speed Force probably makes him even deadlier due to all of the hax it gives. However, THIS DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT give Flash Superman-level strength. That's the point you're missing, and I'm not gonna repeat myself any longer to an arrogant upstart who seems to enjoy wanking The Flash and downplaying Sonic to hell and back. Archie Sonic is not Game Sonic. You seem to be thinking that he is.

I've already explained what an Outlier is, and I'll explain it again and again until you get it through your thick skull.

What denotes an outlier isn't just whether they've never done it again, but also whether it's consistent with the power they've already established, or within a reasonable time frame for growth (This is why Naruto being Multi-Continent to Moon-Level in The Last is not an outlier- Naruto was given two years for growth). Even with two games worth of Galaxy Feats, Galaxy Mario is still outlier. The Ultimate Annihilator falls within Archie Sonic's reasonable range, as he has been shown to deal with other universal threats. On top of this, it's also a feat for resisting reality-warping (Given that THAT's how the Ultimate Annihilator destroys things- it completely wipes them from reality), which falls in with resisting Enerjak's and Mammoth Mogul's Reality Warping.