Talk:Knuckles VS ???/@comment-25182985-20150719142151/@comment-96.255.112.88-20150720125100

''' "The Ground Slam not only counter's Knuckle's speed, but also renders his drilling tatics pretty usless." '''

How? The ground slam only makes DK slam his hands on the ground, how would that stop Knuckles from digginng? You also forgot some of Knuckles abilities like the Knuckle Slam, the Maximum Heat Knuckles Attack, Thunder Arrow (which is a projectile), and has the ability to heal himself whenever. Knuckle slam creates a 360 degree shockwave of energy surrounding him damaging every thing that touches it. And that STILL doesnt answer my original question on how DK wouldn't get speedblitzed. You're basicly arguing that DK can reliably hit something he wouldn't be able to react to, let alone propery counter. You're also forgetting that Knuckles has mastered a number of martial arts and wont just be mindlessly swinging his arms at DK. If you really believe that DK has all of these adventages, then you should read up on Knuckles and his abilities.

2 and 3.) You're still arguing that DK would be able to hit something he couldn't react to. You are basicaly using the Mario arguments for Mario Vs. Sonic. Mario is stronger, has more power ups, better range, and maybe durability. But Sonic still wins because of his natural speed and agility which made Mario hitting him, even with projectiles, rather difficult.

 "Plus, according to physics, each action has an equal and opposite reaction, so since DK preformed a star-level feat and didn't break his arm, he has star-level durability" 

4.) Where do I even start? If DK punched the MOON, he would not be STAR level ANYTHING. What calcs are you using that would even suggest that? You're the LAST person to try to use physics in a calculation. DK's moon punching feat is the definition of toonforce. Now I know why Chesknight doesn't want DK in DeathBattle because dealing with his moon punching feat is impossible.

 'Again, Knuckles IS faster, but it isn't big enough to make a difference like it did in Mario vs Sonic, as DK can keep up with Mario, who can dodge lightning and lasers." 

You're kidding, right? The main reason Sonic won in the first place was because he was so much faster. The same thing happens here. I addressed that in my 2nd and 3rd points. If Mario can dodge lightning and lasers and that can be scaled to DK, then the exact same thing can be scaled to Knuckles. Across his variety of comics, games, tv shows, Sonic has also dodged lightning and lasers. So if you're trying to say DK is hypersonic or something via scaling, then by that exact same scaling Knuckles is still significantly faster.

We still have gone over Knuckles feats from other continuities. Or any of Knuckles' super forms. As I said earlier, if you think DK has all of these advantages (he really doesn't), you should read up on Knuckles abilities.