Talk:Ghost Rider VS Lobo/@comment-29742618-20190725191650/@comment-39801929-20190725215743

Solid argument mate, but I have a few problems here.

That feat of Rider outracing Mjolnir is nice, but Mjolnir was only able to travel to the edge of the galaxy that fast due to divine intervention by Odin, while Rider was outracing a regular hammer throw. Even if we are to say that Rider is that fast, Lobo has beaten Superman to the point where Clark outright admits he’s too fast for him.[] Now Supes has plenty of speed feats, but one of his most impressive is this one where he crosses the universe in 2 months [] calculated to be 273750000000x the speed of light. If you want to go even crazier, Lobo can scale to Green Lanterns. Remember all those crazy speed feats from Hal vs Ben? Yeah, there’s an argument to be made that Lobo scales to that shit.

As for strength, Zarathos is no doubt a power-house, but I’m not sure he’s stronger than Lobo. You can see he’s taking out Strange using the stare and had, not his physical strength. And while destroying Man Thing is impressive, Man Thing is one of those spiritual characters whose physical form isn’t that hard to destroy despite their immense influence. I wouldn’t say Man-Thing is automatically universal simply due to his role. He’s been ripped apart by just Hulk before [], he’s not a very durable guy. Taking on Mjolnir is undeniably crazy, but Lobo can more than keep up. He’s fought and beaten beings on the level of Thor and greater before, see his prior Superman feat. If you want to go crazy, you can argue this places him at universal levels of strength, considering Superman has fought Hal Jordan before and just recently after passing through a bunch of suns while severely depoweres, he one-shot a multiversal entity with a punch. Lobo himself has killed Gawd and Dave before (yes, I know). What’s so special about these guys? Gawd and Dave are crazy reality warpers, they created the very universe Lobo was in at the time, and this was universe seems to be as big as our own with stars and galaxies. Lobo crushed their heads with ease []. Hell, he’s thrown Solaris, a fucking sun before.

The Penance Stare is a key factor here, but the only way Johnny can kill Lobo with it is if it completely destroyed his soul in one shot. Look at what you said here, it “hurt” Blade. Lobo’s regeneration cannot be understated, he’s been reduced to nothing but his soul before, but his soul had all the strength and power of his physical form, and just possessed a snail which he formed back into his regular body. Hell, it’s been stated that if a single drop of blood separates from Lobo, that drop can grow into an entirely new, seperate Lobo. Your explanation of Punisher still doesn’t explain the Carol Danvers scene, where she just tanked the stare and proceeded to knock Rider out. The stare likely would affect Lobo, but I doubt it would do much more than hurt him at best. We know the stare uses hellfire to attack your soul to some degree, but Lobo has tanked hellfire before. The entire reason he’s banned from hell is cause he rampaged through it and enjoyed his torture, and he’s fought Etrigan the Demon more than enough times to have experience with hellfire. It seems to me that the stare has a poor history with being of immense power whom Lobo compares to. Very rarely is it a one-shot against powerful beings, and that’s gonna screw Rider over in this fight. To be fair to Rider, the stare is definitely gonna hurt Lobo, but I just don’t think it’s capable of killing him.

As for Lobo’s durability, pretty much just see what I said about his strength lol. That first example you provide is out of context. He isn’t being harmed by piercing weapons, he’s re-forming his body from a snail. He’s still in the process of fixing himself up, and he actually one-shot the guys he was fighting after he possessed the snail. It ain’t relevant to his durability. That second example is more clear cut but it’s outweighed by his numerous fights against solar-system and universal characters. His regen makes durability sorta irrelevant too. He’s created armies of clones of himself from just one tissue [], he’s regenerated from just his skull before [], and of course there’s the aforementioned snail feat []

Lobo also has the ability to instantly analyse his foes and magically figure out their weakness [], so if he has a way to exploit Rider’s weakness to holy weapons, he’s gonna use it.