Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31737637-20170912082637/@comment-27389401-20170917150042

Round 1: Mario still stomps due to him being a Star Child who has a star embedded within his heart that grants him sufficient enough power to conquer the universe. Mario also fought Culex who was stated on page 64 of the player's guide to be the Master of Time and Space. Also, in his Japanese text, he stated that he holds time from its beginning to its end and holds the power over creation in the Marioverse. Mario also defeated Wart, who conquered Muu once and Subcon twice. The latter is an entire universe, as it is a dream world. After his defeat in BS Super Mario Bros., Subcon, an entire universe, ceases to exist. Wart also put a curse over Subcon and its inhabitants, apparently altering the universe in some way, before you say all that was just a dream, BS Super Mario USA showed tha SMB2 is real. Mario also defeated Bowser, who was under the effects of the Power Stars, which enabled him to create galaxy-sized realms within the walls and paintings. Why galaxy-sized? The Throwback Galaxy is the same exact world as Whomp's Fortress, and is referred to as a galaxy. He had to of created the time in the painting as well, as time and space cannot exist without the other. If he didn't, he'd have Infinite speed for moving in timeless realms. For creating space-time continuums less than universal in scale, he'd be at the higher end of this tier.

Round 2: Same reasons as round 1 and Charizard best feats are capable of melting mountains and his 2 mega forms makes him high mountain level which is too weak against Mario universal feats, Even without SMG duology, Mario still got universal feats.