Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-27177230-20180823175406/@comment-34495727-20181120010011

Zacmariozero wrote: Ocarknotin wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: Ocarknotin wrote: Oh boy, here we go. Some people will call me biased, some will not, but I don't care I'll give my shot on this. (Also I will not be including Roshi VS Jiraiya cuz well, that hasn't come out yet.)

14. Leon: This ones obvious. He's just a normal human, and I don't like that arguement, but he's just a human with guns. Sure he's been able to push boulders and other large objects, but Sora is star level and that's an unfair matchup.

13. Nightwing: Pretty much everything I said about Leon but he has gadgets... Cool.

12. Samurai Jack:  Again, just Leon but he's a lot more impressive.

11. Ryu: Here's where some stuff I'm not 100% sure. Ryu is an impressive one, able to defeat Akuma who destroyed an entire Island with 1 hit, but Spyro and Mario are just too much for him. Optimus Prime took hits from Megatron who is comparable to Prime, and Prime's matrix destroyed a body of a saturn-sized god. Ryu is just a man who knows Martial Arts.

10. Black Panther: Just Ryu but more powerful. He's human but he's pretty strong. That's it really lol

9. Lucy: Why did I put her above Black Panther? I... Don't know actually. XD Something about Lucy, wether it be her invisible arms or her strength, she's just so impressive and a perfect pick for Death Battle. (Still should've lost to Carnage tho)

8. Kenshiro: Omae Mui Wa Shinderu.

7. Spyro: BEFORE PEOPLE CALL ME BIASED: I grew up with Spyro. I grew up with him and Crash. I played their games so many times. So yeah, I know a lot about Spyro, but is he even near Dr. Fate's Universal level stats? Yeah I'm not sure about that. Sorry Spyro.

6. Raven: Probably not number 6 but Raven is like really REALLY strong. She's probably far higher, but I just don't see how she can stand up to Ultron or Fate.

5. Me: FUCK! Who's 5? OPTIMUS PRIME OR SORA? IDK THEIR TOO STRONG AND IDK WHERE TO PUT THEM

4. Just 5 lol

3. Here's where I start losing friends. Ultron: Why does Season 5 have really good fighters? These guys are just way too strong. It's insane. Ultron is so strong that he's able to take down the Avengers EASILY, and has defeated Thor so many times that it's insane. But more powerful than Mario or even Fate?

2. Dr. Fate: *Gets brick thrown at me* Shit people think I'm biased. I'll explain why  Fate's here at 1 lol

1. Mario: Mario... Mario... Oh Mario. This man. ThismanisjustnotevenFAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Definitely some impressive stuff listed for Mario, no doubt, but Fate is just... on a whole 'nother level.

Even in base, Fate and Spectre held a universe together. That, alone, puts his magical prowess and AP/DC on a league comparable to Mario's universal AP. However, when Fused Fate or Nabu comes into the picture? Mario is absolutely doomed. Fused Fate compared with beings who threatened the multiversal balance, while Nabu by himself is also comparable to such multiversal beings. Poor Mario also gets blitzed very hard too, given that Fate is far above the likes of Wonder Woman, who... yeah, just Shattered God blocking.

This isn't even considering Fate's insane hax. I'll let VSB do the talking-

"''Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Magic, Flight, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Size Manipulation, Duplication, Reality Warping, Energy Manipulation, Teleportation, Summoning, Time Travel, Immortality, Soul Manipulation, Power Absorption, Matter Manipulation, Intangibility, Transmutation, Can channel power from all of humanity, Air Manipulation, Creation, Fire Manipulation, Power Bestowal, Resurrection of others, BFR (Can banish beings from the cosmos), Mind Control (Can mentally tell others to perform actions), Blood Manipulation, Biological Manipulation & Transmutation (Can change the blood types of multible beings), Clairvoyance, Absorption & Attack Reflection (Can absorb and redirect energy), Empathy Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Morality Manipulation (Can remove bad acts and memories of others, making them feel better and modifying their intentions. Can burn what ails others to make them feel better and change their empathy and intentions), Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation (Can cast illusions and trick others' perceptions), Can "heal" wounds and machines, Astral Projection, Weather Manipulation, Invisibility (Can make himself and other things invisible), Cosmic Awareness, Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Granted by the amulet of Nabu. Resisted having his mind invaded by demons of enformed madness)''"

-and I'm half sure that isn't even ALL of it.

I'm also somewhat skeptical of Ultron losing to Mario. Ultron can't hurt him, yes, but Mario can't harm Ultron thanks to Adamantium being able to pierce the skin of IG-empowered Thanos. Marvel speeds at this tier should allow Ultron to surpass what Mario can do speed-wise, and Ultron can hax Mario to death via infecting him (like I said above, Ultron can infect non-organic beings). Look, Fate WOULD destroy Mario and so would Ultron, but I kinda let Paper Mario feats slide by and I forgot to mention that and I'm sorry. (And if you want you can debunk the Paper Mario stuff lol)

Plus, I didn't even research this subject. I just gave what I knew about these fighters. I could've done a whole bunch of research and Fate might've won, but thing is, Fate is one of my favorite DC characters and I kinda know stuff about him. Sure, not everything, but I don't know everything about Mario either. Just what I know when starting to post. And nice job on debunking some of the stuff I said :P

(And I said I let Paper Mario slide by even though not including those feats, and again I'm sorry) I'm fine with Paper stuff, actually, I didn't realize you mentioned that.

My position probably wouldn't change much, however. Alright, at least you aren't gonna be salty like most of people in the VS Debating community. I'm glad. However, 1 problem I had was that I don't really use VS Battles Wiki as a credible source. Sure, I use it SOMETIMES, but that's when it provides sources and actually do correct scaling. However the users discussions and stuff I'm okay with, so I'm alright with you using discussions on the site so other users can provide their info.