Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-33064970-20190418072655/@comment-39011293-20190728223803

SonicAnimeStar wrote: Nobrainer134 wrote: SonicAnimeStar wrote:

Foxthefox1000 wrote: And my point was that scaling everyone amd their mother to Sonic who seems to be really struggle with FTL speeds is stupid.

Also, can you PROVE Solaris was sending multiversal attacks at Sonic? With Dimentio, it was a gradual process, sure, but he also USED the Void in a few of his attacks, or at least, Count Bleck did. With Solaris, he was stated to eat time and dimensions, but that's not really combat applicable, wouldn't you say? Either way, if two multiversals were enough to upgrade characters, then Kirby would be galaxy/universal for using new abilities and forms to beat Magolor and Void Termina as well as Mario having a few foes who have hax abilities and vague universal claims. 1. Paper Mario is competely a different character than Normal Mario

2. WIth Solaris, Solaris split him into Mephiles and Iblies, which Mephiles can got to the past, future and present, so I proofing that he can go throw time travel, but Dreamy Bowser never showed any attacks at Mario, If Dreamy Bowser can really create anything he wants why didn't he just send thousands of Black holes at Mario and Luigi, and if you are going to say according to the guide it state the Dark stone = Dream Stone are the same and Zeekeeper has the same powers, that doesn't prove anything, Zeekeeper and Antasma are seperate character than Bowser and they have more experience with the Dreams, Bowser isn't really that smart, Like I said ealier COULD =/= WOULD, Bowser probably did have the power of multiple of universes, but he never showed it, so my conclusion he has the power but he probably isn't smart enough to use it, I keep on saying this multiple of times, It a Lore Dreamy Bowser, not the Real Dreamy Bowser and things that he really can do.

3. Just Because you beat a Universal Character doesn't make you Universal Level, did we have saw Mario destroy universe, or have powers of solar systems, or did he ever destroyed a planet, yeah Exactly, just because you beat someone that can destroyed galaxies doesn't mean they have that same power, that's why I don't like scaling character with other character, because they don't have the same power or abilities, Yeah and like I said again just because it stated the be called universe or star or etc, doesn't mean that they are that size, they look like it it doesn't mean that they are it, Mario and Kirby world isn't comparable to the real world. Sonic is more comparable to the real world. At least Super Sonic has proven to be a planet buster in sonic unleashed Dr Eggman use the power of all 7 emeralds to destroy the surface of the earth,  Super Sonic= 7 emeralds = Master Emerald, say yeah it make more sense 1. Still the same character just different versions, kinda like Link or Godzilla

2. Dreams have been proven multiple times to be universes, or at least similar. Also, there’s something called CIS. Dreamy Bowser theoretically could summon black holes on them, but he just didn’t. And you do realize that Zeekeeper has similar powers to the Dream Stone right? So does Antasma for the Dark Stone. And just because you won’t do something, doesn’t mean you couldn’t. Bowser theoretically can do those things. He has the powers of the dreams at his disposal. And Bowser isnt dumb, he just suffers CIS.

3. I hate that ‘just because you beat someone doesn’t mean you’re as strong as them’ logic so fucking much. If you beat someone of a certain level, then you obviously are as powerful as them. And Mario and Kirby have shown there levels of power consistently being around Galaxy level at best. And Mario and Kirby ARE comparable to the real world. Kirby has shown to have accurately sized planets, and even Mario does too. And they don’t have to have the same damn powers and abilities to scale them. And if it looks like a star, and is called it, then it is a damn star or universal, don’t pull out bullshit. 1. Composite Godzilla can be use because Showa, Heisei, Millennium is connected to the first Godzilla, but Not Shin or Earth, and Paper Mario is competely different story and have no connections to the Normal Mario, this is why we can't use composite character in Vs Battles

2. Hear we go again, "THEORETICALLY", seriously that theoretically not realistically, And I said I again, and again and again, Do you need to watch Batman vs Captain America, again,  but there's a big different between COULD and WOULD, Bowser never showed it, In the Dreamy Boss battle, I never saw him create black holes, only impressive thing I see in the fight was him splitting himself into two, and summon tiny little things, but in the fair did he have summon Black Holes or Stars literally watch the fight, You may not like this, and this statement I am going to say is a Fact: Real Seening Feats always tromps what someone say (Statements), It just a Lore Bowser not the Real Dreamy Bowser and thing he actually show he can do, We can't just assume that his character knows how to do this power without have pear Knowledge on the item that they are using, you can use all this proof from other characters, but it isn't change anything about feats, and that why we can't comparable to characters that are not the same which get into #3

3. Yeah, you hate it because actually make sense and it true, like J.A.R and AR said JUST BECAUSE CHARACTER X BEATS CHARACTER Y, DOESN'T MEAN CHARACTER X CAN BEAT CHARACTER Z, Beating a Universel character automacilly, That not how power scaling goes, Serousily it better see what the character actually do and power he really can do, You know what, this is the problem about the vs community, they to much go scalling by This character beats this character that make them powerful more than actually scaling by what they can really do, this is why the salt have came bad with Carnage vs Lucy and Luigi vs Tails, people saying "Oh Carnage should of won because he had fought Hulk, Thor and etc, and Luigi should of won because he had beaten Dreamy Bowser, Dimentio and etc." will that doesn't really matter, especially if they need outside help the defeat a character, It's also funny how people say Sonic need outside help to beat Solaris or Time Eater, but Mario need outside help to Dreamy Bowser he needed Dreamy Luigi, Starlow, and Zeekeeper to fight against Dreamy Bowser, so he wasn't effortlessly beating him, same with Grand Star Bowser, in the battle Grand Star Bowser got his butt burn by the lava, and Mario keep on hitting it, Bowser did this to himself show have clusmy he is, Which gave mario a upper hand, so Beating character doesn't make you stronger, it could just be luck, or the character that is powerful did something  stupid made them lose, I will give you examples

Mothra Beated Gigan does that make her more powerful...NO, Gigan got cocky and while Mothra reflected the razors back at Gigan, and when Gigan exploded her, She use the fire around her to ram really fast into the gigan

Batman Beated Superman does that make him more powerful...NO, Batman had prep time, to get kryptonite, had made a suit to made out of kryptonite, which Superman was acting stupid fighting him, which made him losted, But Batman had prep, and prep time is a outside help with kryptonite and analyzing his weakest, and Black Panther and Spiderman beated Batman, so does that make them stronger than Superman..No

Captain America beated Iron Man (In MCU), does that make him more powerful...NO Cap had help with Bucky, which is outside help, and Iron man didn't really want to fight cap, he wanted to kill Bucky, He just wanted Cap get out of the way, But literally this video explained it

So yeah Just Because you beat a Universal Character doesn't make you Universal Level,

And you literally have no proof how there worlds are comparable to the real world, I do agree with Kirby but Not Mario, The Stars in Mario aren't even comparable doing to the size of Bowser compare to the star, and the moon that Donkey Kong punch is size of a island, heck yeah The Island the Lucy punch throw is more impressive than that, He didn't even destroyed the moon, and that phrase of saying 'And if it looks like a star, and is called it, then it is a damn star or universal', yeah so we are make assumption now instead, that doesn't proof anything that it called it, the Star in mario are balles of lava and that pretty much it, and  the earth is the same size but the planets in SMG isn't they are mini planet, and just a atmosphere doesn't mean it as size as a real planet, like Dyphinoide say (Looks and similar features do not determine size proportions), any if you are going to say "You're using are research by Dyphinoide, did he ever made anything past years" it doesn't matter what he said is still what he said.

That the last thing I will say in this thread, I really don't care if you disagree with me, but I just saying this to give you evidences so yeah bye 1. K true

2. Just because he won’t doesn’t mean he can’t do those things as Dreamy Bowser. He has the power of dreams within himself so he possibly can. Dreams are considered entire realms, and even universes at best so it makes sense. Also, Batman vs Cap was wrong so don’t use it.

3. But it isn’t true. In order to beat someone, you have to have the power to do so. Dragon Ball characters scale to each other, Marvel and DC characters do as well, it makes sense. And the battles you used as supporting arguments, like Luigi vs Tails and Carnage vs Lucy were inaccurate (subjectively at least). So beating someone means you scale to them, especially if you do it under your own power. Mario heated Grand Star Bowser under his own power as well as he was able to hurt him even more. He still scales to Bowser anyway, since they fight all the time and have the same power source being star children.

Literally all the supporting arguments you listed are horrible ngl. Batman beating Superman is PIS, plus he had prep time. Mothra still scales to Gigan since she actually hurt him, and Iron Man was holding back against Cap. So there

Beating someone who is universal does make you that level. Otherwise I guess many characters aren’t universal then.

I do have proof because even Mario has comparably to the real world at times. I’d say more but basically Rolvebloxxer cleared it up for me. But some of the celestial bodies have the same properties as the ones in real life so they count. And do you know how much Force is needed to knock the moon as you need to push it out of orbit? And the Moon is slightly larger than DK island so no, Lucy’s island feat is not more impressive. If you have actually looked into the Mario verse, you’d know this.

And it’s best you don’t reply anymore, all your evidence is just wrong and flawed. You clearly just love to downplay Mario.