Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-25620113-20171006025609

Metal Mario875 wrote: @Savage:

1. I don't see how Mario can't hurt him. In his strongest form, he's only Mountain level. Virtually any of Mario's attacks, since his intangibility won't work, would obliterate him. Regenerating from a strand of DNA could also be countered with... I dunno, Mario incinerating him completely? He's done it before, in games like Super Mario World, where literally nothing is left of the enemy. His pyrokinesis and immensely superior A.P. should be enough to get the job done.

2. Thank you for explaining. :)

@Blur:

1. I wasn't trying to say Mario would destroy his soul; rather, Ghostfreak's intangibility won't work since Mario literally destroyed a soul, something else that's entirely intangible.

2. Thank you, but from what I'm getting from Savage, he apparently doesn't use it all that well. So I don't see what that'll do. Actually Ben's strongest form is universe level with Alien X not even being scratched by a universe destroying bomb. Even still Feedback is universe level through energy absorption and has actually absorbed all the electricity and energy within a body to easily incapacitate people. He also has several Planet forms (not saying these would be helpful against Mario just deunking the whole Ben's best form is mountain statement) such as Way Big (overpowered a planet destroying beam), arbuably Gravattack (gravikinesis so strong he can create a black hole 9likely can't survive said black hole though)) and arguable Goop (who literally became a sentient planet and stabilized its gravitational field). There is also Big Chill who froze a drill that was drilling through dimensions.  Also I didn't really believe Ghostfreak was a viable counter to Mario. I was just trying to explain what i thought was blur's thought process behind bringing Ghostfreak up.

As for Nanomech, while Blur is correct in that Ben has used it to defeat someone from the inside (examples being Mad Way Big and the Stalker in episodes it's a Mad, Mad Ben World and Video Games respectively), he only uses it when he's out of viable options. The Stalker was a robot that had an advantage against all of Ben's aliens save for Nanomech because Nanomech was not deemed as a threat. Against Mad Ben, his omnitrix and Ben 23's omnitrix were switched and Ben had to come up with a plan on the fly to defeat a To'kustar. The example i mentioned was against his cousin Gwen when neither combatant was actually trying with their full potential. Its not that Ben can't use Nanomech effectively, its just that he only does it when he's practically out of options.