Talk:Link VS Cloud/@comment-3463132-20150703023332

This will always be my least favorite Deathbattle; I'm not complaining exactly (eh, actually I probably am) but I think they had quite a bit of flawed thinking, I hate flawed thinking- no matter who or what is responsible for it.

1) Jenova cells are evil

I'm not okay with this, Cloud himself is a good person; there is no reason Link's sword should be able to target the cells of Cloud and not Cloud himself. From another perspectice, Aerith cleansed the "impurity" of Jenova out of Cloud during Advent Children; this should not have been a thing.

2) Removing Jenova cells would weaken Cloud

Assuming this to be true. Cloud has demonstrated incredible strength and stamina with not a single Jenova cell in his body, including using the Buster Sword. Almost the entirety of Advent Children is with his body actively at war with itself and he's still blocking bullets and hefting a giant sword with no trouble. A weakened Cloud should still be more than enough to deal with Link.

3) Speed

This was stupid, I don't want to be disrespectful since I know a lot of effort goes into these- but Link has no chance of ever landing a blow on Cloud. Again, this mostly depends on whether they counted stuff outside of the games. If they did, then this is a travesty since Cloud can dodge machinegunfire from over 20 soldiers at the same time. Speed is the most important part of a fight like this, and Cloud outdoes Link by miles. Heck, watch the final fight between Cloud and Sephiroth- the part where they're fighting in debris? That is 8x slower than they're fighting in real-time.

4) Cloud is brute force

This, this is bullshit just to make Cloud looks worse. Cloud dual-wields weapons in Advent Children, that requires far more finesse than sword and board ever could. Cloud demonstrated sword skills before he even met Zack, which leads me to my next point.

5) Link has more combat experience.

Again, bullshit; twice bullshit actually. Firstly, Link has had 10 adventures, that's not 10 lifetimes. Each Link has had one adventure, he does not go around saving the world every day of his life for each of his 10 lives. Cloud has 10 years of continuous training and fighting for his life. So at absolute best they should be tied, at worst Cloud should have a clear lead.

Secondly, since they decided to go there, Cloud is used to facing superhuman opponents, Link however mainly focuses on monsters during his adventures. So Cloud would be far more familiar with fighting a superhuman than Link would be.

6) Materia

They gave Link some of his best stuff just so he could be a threat to Cloud, and then gave Cloud the most basic materia? Yeah, that's not fair at all. And don't give me "You can't prove Cloud has any other materia" I can list every materia Cloud simply finds on his journeys, very few materia require you to go out of your way to find them. And the audio books mention Cloud has the most experience using combat materia, so he should've had more. Also, why fireballs? Show me where in FF7 Fire meant a fireball? Answer, it doesn't, they chose to make it a fireball because the alternative is that it just lights you on fire. They purposefully ignored the game to fit their interpretation, it should never happen like that. Interpretation should come from canon, not the other way around. I know the animation is just for show, but the meaning behind it was clear.

IF they were going off Dissidia logic, then they should've been aware of all of Cloud's feats, instead of focusing so much on just his FF7 game ones.

7) Limit Breaks take time

Do tell? He Bravered Bahamut SIN about 3 seconds into the fight, with Climhazzard being used shortly after. He used Omnislash version only seconds after using regular Omnislash as well, and he had used Blade Beam and Finishing Touch not long beforehand too. And remember, 3 seconds for Cloud is not 3 seconds for Link- Cloud is not only a little faster, he is a lot faster.

And if they were counting Dissidia, Cloud can spam the crap out of them with no issues at all.

I just do not agree with their interpretation of how this would play out, not at all. Advent Children came out 6 years before this match, Advent Children Complete came out 3 years before it, Last Order came out with Advent Children, they had no excuse to think the way they did about several points. Just wanted to get this off of my chest, it's bad for the soul- and the back.