Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4383275-20150824053458/@comment-4383275-20150927061320

Oobooglunk wrote: To address some popular points in this thread:

"Knuckles' feats in 3&K are an outlier and don't count"

I've already clarified that Sonic Adventure re-affirms Knuckles' ability to punch the Chaos Emeralds out of Sonic, even while the Master Emerald was shattered. If anything, Donkey Kong's moon-punch was an outlier. And no, the fact that "Donkey Kong hasn't had that many games" doesn't count, as Nintendo has had plenty of time to establish the limits of Donkey Kong's strength.

"Donkey Kong punched with 3,000 megatons of force to move the Moon out of orbit"

Death Battle's own calculations have placed Super Sonic's speed at an average of 710,000 miles per hour, but his top speed is, according to SEGA, the speed of light. Even with this information, it is impossible to accurately calculate Super Sonic's exact speed in the opening. However, as I mentioned at the start of this thread, Knuckles can also take a Spin Dash from Hyper Sonic without a problem, and Hyper Sonic consistently travels faster than light, giving any of his attacks over 10,000 megatons of force. I initially didn't want to include this information because I, like most people, considered Hyper Sonic's presence PIS, but then I replayed Sonic Colors for the DS.

The final boss of that game shoots a laser at Sonic as the latter uses the energy of the Wisps (the aliens visible at the bottom of the screen) to attain a rainbow-colored form, the source of which is "stronger than Chaos", according to a deleted line of dialogue from the game. This form is also clearly traveling faster than light, since Sonic is approaching the laser faster than it is approaching him. Additionally, Sonic 3&K is clarified to be canon in Sonic Generations for the 3DS, further removing Hyper Sonic's classification as an outlier.

"Death Battle has used non-canon information before; this Knuckles was just a composite"

If this Knuckles were truly a composite representation of his abilities, his Archie Comics powers would be included as well. This would have made him obliterate Donkey Kong in an instant, even without resorting to his Chaos Knuckles form.

"For a Knuckles fanboy, you've used a surprising amount of self-detrimental arguments"

My intent is to level the playing field, not shift it in my favor. From what I've seen, virtually nobody seems to share my goal. Correct me if I'm wrong about that. Let's have a look at this again and pick it apart more carefully this time.