Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-27389401-20171004210258

1. Ok but even without the Star Child feats, Baby Mario still can beat most Ben aliens because he defeated the Elder Princess Shroob, who created a large storm simply by powering up, which seems to have spread across the entire Mushroom Kingdom, at least. Elder Princess Shroob also desired to destroy the entire kingdom, even commenting on how the Shroobs will "dance on the buried remains of this pathetic kingdom." The Mushroom Kingdom is a continent-sized country.

2. Ok but Mario fought Culex who was stated on page 64 of the player's guide to be the Master of Time and Space. Also, in his Japanese text, he stated that he holds time from its beginning to its end and holds the power over creation in the Marioverse Mario can also fight Bowser who fought Culex too and Bowser tanked the collapse of his Galaxy Reactor, which was stated to threaten the very fabric of the universe whilst extremely fatigued. Bowser's Galaxy Reactor is repeatedly called a universal threat, and was stated to decide "The Fate of the Universe," solidifying it at this tier. Mario damaged Bowser to the point of unconsciousness, so he definitely scales. Plus, Mario can become Mega Mario to match Ultimate Way Big size and this form makes him superior to his base form but is temporary, Mario can also upgrade his stats with invincibility power-ups, Power Drinks and Peppers. Another way to Mario beat Ultimate Way Big is using the broom from Super Mario World who can erase a castle from existence.

3. Mario can possess Ben too by using Cappy from Super Mario Odyssey and Mario has a Boo form where he transforms using a Boo Mushroom to become a ghost too and can Ghostfreak possess ghosts?