Talk:Metal Sonic VS Zero/@comment-11365739-20170731172152/@comment-30508636-20170828005014

Sonic power level is increasing by the time, so you can not just quit scaling metal sonic for all games after sonic heroes. When sonic faced perfect chaos without using even a super form, it became clear that sonic evolved over time (like the dragon ball characters). Sure enough when sonic faced metal overlord he was much weaker than when faced with these new villains. Sonic heroes happens shortly after sonic adventure 1 and 2, where sonic had difficulties to kill a monster city level and stop a colony that manages to at most destroy the earth. If the chaos emerald realy make a being to become Universe Level, sonic should have defeated these enemies easily, but as I said earlier he had difficulties. When sonic faced metal overlord he was at best small planet level.

The sonic games power scales are a real mess and the claims of the characters are most often incoherent and contradict each other. That's why perhaps death-battle looks for feats, rather than simply analyzing through character claims

And just to highlight one detail of his statement, it was never stated in Sonic Colors that it was really a black hole, so how do you say it really is? Just because it looks like one? So it's perfectly fair to consider that Lumine destroyed a star in X8 megaman.