Talk:Darth Vader VS Doctor Doom/@comment-5808856-20150610151136/@comment-5808856-20150610230708

THe reason for Tien and the others having deminishing roles is because of HOW big these threats were getting. Frieza for example, they stood their ground for a good time, but ultimatly lost. Then there was Tien who did that amazing feat of holding back Cell for quite a bit of time.

Also, if Goku DIDN'T do all that training that he would not even be a strong as he was at the start of Dragonball. Remember the reason they sent him to earth is because he was weak compaired to other Saiyans. Yes. The Saiyan physiology played a major role in his massive power, but he had to work and train hard to get to be this strong, unlike Superman who only has to know how to hold back. He was BORN with his full power. Also, holding back one's strength...is not that difficult to do honestly. I am a total wimp, and even I can hold back with relative ease. Goku is a character who had to do all that training to get where he is today, Superman however...he didn't have to do all that work. He was born with his power as strong as they could be. Goku became stronger and stronger as his series went on, but Superman...just stayed the same. Sure he could hold back, but that is power he always had, that he was holding back. He did not work hard to get the power that is being held back. Maybe that is why I don't like him. He didn't really have any true obsticles to overcome like Goku. Even IF (and that is a big IF) Superman could beat him in a fight, Goku is easily the better character.