Talk:Roshi VS Jiraiya/@comment-33087375-20181108190201/@comment-33087375-20181108193359

^^^They were both kids with zero natural talent in a world of superpowerful beings, yet still worked hard to achieve their goals and were fortunate enough to be taken under the wing of a powerhouse who taught/gave them the skills and confidence they needed to become great. They both have super modes that increase their speed and power but damage themselves in the process, they both focus extensively on their C.Q.C skills, and both of their mentors basically ended their careers trying to finish off one of the serie´s big bads.

Is that enough for you?