Talk:Link VS Cloud/@comment-3463132-20150703023332/@comment-81.158.105.156-20150709014417

As a LoZ fan, I want to chime in a little here on Link's behalf, and go through your list. FIrst, I should say one thing though.

I agree that Link could not beat Cloud.

This is, in my opinion, almost entirely based on his speed disadvantage. I will say, however, that it is not quite as big of a difference as you make it out to be. Link is, not alone in LoZ, a casual arrow timer without any speedboosting equipment. I do have a question though. Not having played FF7 past a fairly early point, does he show any of his non-FF7 speed feats in this game?

1) I can accept this point, along with 2)

3) Yup. Again, the difference isn't as much as you make out, but it is still the deciding factor in this fight.

4) and 5) I agree generally. You are, however, incorrect about each Link having one adventure. For example, it is the same Link in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask; Link to the Past and Link's Awakening; and Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. In any case, it would seem that they used a strange composite version. One thing I will say is that Link demonstrates a supernatural ability to instantly master each and every weapon and item he picks up.

6) This is wrong. So very, incredibly wrong. I can't comment on Cloud's materia use, other than the fact that he had stupidly limited slots in the fight, which was silly, but to say that Link got some of his best stuff is ridiculous. There are canon Links who, using just the gear from their own adventures, would mop the floor with the "combined" version they used. Such as the Ice Arrow that flash froze an erupting volcano in Wind Waker. Multiple time stops. Potion for three days of infiinite magic. Multiple paths to complete invincibility. The list goes on and on. I do actually think that, if speed were equalised, composite Link would probably win, simply due to the vast combinations of game breaking items that would come into play.

8) I think you missed the point of the Gauntlets. Yes, if Cloud hits Link directly then the gauntlets would do nothing. That's what the red ring etc is for. What they were trying to show, and in my opinion with some validity, was that IF Cloud somehow only managed to hit the Hylian Shield (Which has taken blows from enemies which can disintigrate solid stone with their swings, and is directly stated to be indestructible in text) then Link's body could withstand the superhuman force of Cloud's blows being transferred through the shield. The heavy weights he lifts with them show that they do have an effect on his durability in that way. Incidentally, Link is superhumanly strong anyway, not that it really matters with the gauntlets considered, but I thought I may as well mention it.