Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-31816534-20171007025226

Metal Mario875 wrote: 1. I.Q. doesn't matter if your opponent is unfeasibly stronger than you. Unless he has sheer power to back it up, all he'll find out is that Mario will one-shot him. Also, Mario has electrokinesis, too.

2. Mario has longevity, capable of living literally 10,000 years in Super Mario Galaxy before dying of old age. Whatever Clockwork accelerated to death, if it's a normal man, there's absolutely no guarantee that it'd work on Mario. Also, are you comparing Clockwork's speed to Zoom's? Cause that's entirely not the case. Similar abilities =/= same effects. While it's possible he can slow time, if Mario is already hilariously faster (which he is), then all it'll do is even out the gap. Which Mario can then widen again with an ability like Hero's Sight or with his Battle Cards. Also, Mario can be faster than Flash, or even with him, or slower. All depends on the Mario. I always use composite in debates, though.

3. Holding up a planet? Some of the weaker Marios beat that by a long shot, honestly. And what do you mean by "spinning him up real fast"? And how exactly does that require prep time? From how it sounds, you hit him hard enough that the slime flies off his body, right? In that case, all Mario needs is F.L.U.D.D. Using that, he's exerted well over 40,000psi through water alone, and has immense washing power. Shoot, he could outright punch him with enough joules to do the same thing.

4. I doubt much faster than Mario, and as I said, Mario counters intangibility easily. Flying can be useful, but Mario has several power-ups that enable flight, not to mention the dozens of projectiles he has.

5. Mario has literally tanked and outran black holes before, so that's not an issue. Also, such a feat is completely invalid without context; how fast was this guy he beat without even reacting? How strong was he? Also, Mario has resisted things that would erase him, like, three times before. Dream Team, Paper Mario 64 and Super Paper Mario. And Mario has also defeated exact copies of himself, including himself in the flesh, before. Memory M, Dreamy Mario, Doopliss, Shadoo, and so on. Neither of those things will help Alien X.

1. I'm not sure if Mario's gonna handle someone with an IQ of 10^30. No one in the Mario universe is that smart. and you don't think Brainstorm can't figure out a way to beat Mario fast, he can. In the season 2 finale of Ben 10, Back With a Vengeance, Ben had temporary access to the Master Control, a function where Ben is able to change form by thinking it and can't time-out. When Ben was trapped in the Null Void and tried escaping, he used all of his aliens to perform offensive and evasive maneuvers. It's impressive on it's own, but consider this: Druing the time, Ben only had twelve aliens, so being able to turn into an alien immediately and figure out what to do as the events are happening is pretty impressive, I'd say.

2. If Clockwork's time rays don't work, what'll he do? Keep firing the ray until it works. Now you might think " But wait, Ben's never tried to age someone to dust." He actually has. he did it against Captain Nemesis, the Iron Man expy. And that's the first thing he did. Also, it's not speed, it's just rewingind time slowly. Remember when I said that Clockwork looks like he's running really fast from an outside perspective? It's basically that. also, Mario can only reach Flash's speeds with the Launch Star.

3. Weaker feats? Never seen Mario lift up a mountain, or island, or even an asteroid before. Also, he needs prep time because figuring out how Goop's Anti-Gravity Projector works, why he gets hurt when spinning, and how to kill Goop.

4. Not entirely sure how Mario's gonna destroy living energy. Metaphysical energy and actual energy are two different things.

5. Mario's outran black holes? So did the Galactic Gladiator, but what did Alien X do? He used a celetsial tentacle to snag the Gladiator, so snagging Mario shouldn't be too difficult. also, when I said tanking his attacks without even reacting, I meant that while the Gladiator was punching him, Ben was still talking to Bellicus and Serena and didn't feel any damage. If Mario and Paper Mario are the same person, how did Raphael the Raven appear when he was previously turned into a star. Plus, when I said he could make Mario fight himself, I was talking about how he could influence his movements and make him go all "Stop hitting yourself, Stop hitting yourself"

6. If we went by the logic that an object was FTL because it tagged something moving faster than light, that literally means Knuckles is faster than light since he was able to tag Super Sonic.

7. I don't think Mario would time travel just to get the Pure Hearts. If I wanted to make a character do something they'd never resort to, I'd say that Ben can just turn into Echo echo, make multiple copies, have em' all turn into Alien X, split into multiple mini Alien X's, all fuse together into a black hole, and suck Mario in with celestial tentacles.