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> This is silly and false. I've spoken to members of the research team. They do research and decide the outcome based on it. You know. The exact way that DB says they do.

I will actually concede to you here, because if you've spoken to them, their word is legitimate.

> He said he doesn't associate himself with the greater vs community, presumably because a lot of it is highly toxic.

And the Death Battle fandom is not? There's a lot of bad online communities out here. I've seen some pretty civil discussions on places like, say, Spacebattles. A lot better than mot YouTube comments sections. So to blame a whole online community (those who like VS debating) seems erroneous on your part.

> He was not. He was doing research to try and determine who he thought would win, not trying to help one side or the other.

IIRC somewhere he said he wanted Goku to win. I really don't buy that claim, and most DBZ fans who've seen their battles doubt his claims. Yes, Superman still wins, but the reasons he gives seem totally at odds with most of the DBZ fandom. It's very telling when, if you do prefer Goku more, you literally have painted an image online of you being a Superman fanboy. Hell, that it's his least favorite battle should tell you something. Superman has greater feats, superior iterations of the character, better high-ends, and so on. That's why he wins. Not that he is "infinite" and "has no limits" and "is not meant to lose." They gave him the Saitama treatment. That's some real talent to piss off the true fans in both fandoms at the same (those who know Superman is not Saitama, and Dragon Ball fans who had to watch Superman murder Goku on screen and have King Kai parrot a message that's at odds with the show's core ethos). But if he REALLY wanted Goku to win, he'd be including his feat of shaking the afterlife. It would increase his DC. Plus he got the speed calc wrong. It really seems kind of deliberate. I don't even see a pinned comment on that battle admitting to the typos, even though he did so in the blog. It's not hard. Yet to date, that pinned comment on Captain Marvel vs. Android 18 remains the ONLY time they've ever admitted to fallability.

> No one cares lol

You don't. Difference.

> The animation is meant to be entertaining. The analysis and conclusion are meant to be accurate. It's not that hard to understand.

And it's never going to be 100% accurate. So the lack of admitting to their own human flaws is kind of shocking. It's what makes me think it's more about their egos and protecting the brand than actually figuring this out. If they did, they'd admit to their mistakes in a pinned comment on the Goku vs. Superman 2 battle, basically outlining the very thing Ben said in his blog, and then leave it behind forever. They said they'd never touch Goku vs. Superman again. Yet they plan to "remaster" it through loophole abuse (it's not really a third battle, see, see?!) so that they can "correct" the online impression of themselves, and make huge views at the same time. It's win-win! Except for Dragon Bal fans having to watch Goku get murdered a THIRD time. That's not entertainment, like you claim. That's the primary basis of the channel? Watching Goku die three times to the same man simply because of marketing and to make money is NOT FUN. It never will be.

> lol???

Just calling it as I see it.

> lol ok bud. FTR I disagree with tons of Death Battles, and rarely bother defending them. The only reason I'm doing so now is because in this case they're actually right.

Okay, THANK YOU. Whether you think Green Lantern wins or not, you should be able to do so without assassinating the character of Kuro. He's basically saying what a high majority of the online fandom who knows of Death Battle has said for years. He's representative of them. Not an anomaly. And if you disagree with a battle, that shows the research is not accurate, and can never be 100% accurate, so I really think they need a new strategy to market their web show, because otherwise, it just spreads misinformation pretending to be true nerd stuff while having ulterior motives to it.

> They've literally admitted that they aren't perfect before, multiple times. Hell, they said so in the Q&A, which I'm guessing you didn't watch.

Then why aren't they pinning Ben's blog to the second Goku vs. Superman Death Battle? Simple. They're planning to do it again under the guise of a "remaster" to make huge bucks. Cha-ching!

> I....did address his criticism? Most of what he said was either incorrect or subjective, which I said earlier. Are you talking about when I said he acted egotistically in the vid? Because that was only part of what I was saying, and I wouldn't call it throwing shade.

Okay then.

> Actually, the pinned comment was a statement that the math on 18's speed was done incorrectly in the video, and the actual result would have been much higher. That wasn't something anyone called him out on, it was something he noticed himself and corrected willingly. The thing that people called him out on was the energy absorption thing, which he originally debated against, but conceded was incorrect once he saw all the evidence provided. As for admitting he was wrong, he basically said on his blog that Goku vs Superman 2 was shit, and literally released a second Mario vs Sonic episode that goes against the one he originally made. Soooo...

I read that blog too. It seemed a lot like him trying to paint the DBZ fandom as the ones in the wrong, rather than himself. Seemed like he was more defensive than actually admitting to some of the truth inherent in the fallout. And is asking the FANS if they want to see another Goku vs. Superman. Because it's inevitable. So he's trying to paint as "fan demand was so high!" But it's not. I'm literally not asking for this. At all. I dread it. Just because they redid Mario vs. Sonic's outcome, bwahahahaha! Do you really think they're going to change the outcome at all for Goku vs. Superman? It's such a shitstorm I don't know how he can't see that. Literally NOBODY wins with another Goku vs. Superman. NOBODY. Except Death Battle all the way to the bank.

> The topic of the pinned comment was, as I said, a mistake that no one noticed. He COULD have just let it gone unnoticed, but he felt the need to correct himself anyway, even though he didn't have to.

I saw the tweets. Geekdom himself got involved. It was so high, he knew he'd lose all credibility in the DBZ fandom if he didn't address this. He doesn't want that, especially since he pretty much confirmed he sent the wrong message with GVS2, lol.

> You're heavily projecting and assuming all sorts of shit that is factually not true. Like...no offense but the stuff you're saying is lowkey crazy.

You can never guess at their motives, can you? They are never up front with you. Hell, Ben himself once said he'd correct any battle he got wrong, but he is "never wrong." He also said it's good for you to complain about this battle - just do so very loudly where anyone can hear you. There you go.

> Convergence undid the events of the Crisis on Infinite Earths. The current canon (Rebirth) is an amalgamation of Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, and New 52. I don't care if you think it "CANNOT be canon", it factually is.

And that was probably to canonize Death Battle's Goku vs. Superman result and to also buff up Superman. I mean, wow. Someone even claimed FUNimation and DC both consider the result of those battles to be "canon." Obviously Toriyama and Toei disagree, because with DBS they seemed to be making it to go out of their way to shut up long-held downplaying arguments and ways to lowball the series. It's sadly now become a international dick-measuring contest. God help us all...