User:Pikazilla

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I just want to start this by saying that I have been a fan of Death Battle since Season 1. I enjoyed Deadliest Warrior as well, the show that directly inspired Death Battle. I have always wanted to look into the science of combat in both history and fiction, and the resulting impact of this 'art of war'. I don't automatically agree with every argument or result, but I am willing to listen and accept if I character I like loses.

With that said, DB has some noticeable recurring and ongoing issues on both the show and community: especially regarding the overall mentality of Death Battles. I personally have become increasingly apathetic to Death Battle as a result of these issues. So I will explain my constructive / castrating criticism.


 * I also want to mention that I'm not here to complain about a character I like losing or a character I dislike winning. I hate bias and I try to avoid it as much as possible: I know that bias can easily derail any Death Battle discussion.
 * I'm not a fan of the 'shonen-style badboys' like Raiden (Metal Gear), Sephiroth, or Leon: but I agree with their victories, I don't hate these characters, I understand why they have fans, and if I did I wouldn't be salty about them winning. I like Luigi more than Tails, but I still like both characters overall, and the result of the DB doesn't change that. If Superboy Prime defeats Dan Hibiki, it won't mean I'm going to have to like teen-edge-lord Superboy Prime for being the superior combatant: Dan Hibiki is a comedic joke-character, that's part of his appeal and why I find him entertaining.
 * None of my arguments are about the combatants themselves. So if you intend to grab your torches and pitchforks against me, then you should know: I will not listen to comments that are nothing but hostility and scorn.

Highball vs Consistency
So fictional characters are obviously fictional, which makes it sometimes hard to pinpoint any precise facts about their physique. Spongebob could be karate chopping rocks and dragging an anchor for miles in one episode: and be unable to lift a soda or press the buttons on a tv remote in another episode. Superman could either get slowed down by a flamethrower, or survive a supernova explosion with relative ease.

But most characters, even superhumans, do (or should) have a consistent understanding of who they are. Leonardo and Gamera are both mutants turtles, doesn't make them identical combatants. Let's just say that Casey Jones is going to need a bigger cricket bat for the latter. And Ryu and Goku might have alot in common; but if Base Goku can destroy planets and fly at least hypersonic speeds, then Ryu is better learn how to crush more cars (especially if Vegito becomes SSJGSSJ 5 Ultimate Ultra Instinct).

(occum's razor and OPEN YOUR EYES)

Mario vs Sonic Remake: Stadium Blast

 * Mario Stadium soot / ko / Sonic Movie scene
 * First is how powerful was the blast within the tennis stadium? The hosts said it was 2.4 megatons of TNT. In comparison: the total energy of all explosives used in World War II, including the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs, is estimated to have been three megatons of TNT. Question: is this stadium made out of Adamantium? It's not a nuclear explosion, it was an arsenal of Bob-Ombs. And we do see the Bob-Ombs explode, they have a blast radius similar to an actual grenade of that size. Why did Wario and Bowser even try to use Bob-Ombs against Mario if, according to Wiz, Mario was immune to nukes? Why can Bob-Ombs hurt and kill Mario in other games, both within gameplay and cutscenes?
 * Second issue is was Mario even within the blast radius? The blast produced alot of light, but that's not the same as the blast itself. Certainly Wario and Bowser were in the blast; Bowser's blimp was destroyed and both were knocked out by the blast. They are even covered in soot. Mario is, by comparison, not only completely unharmed but is completely clean as well. The scene never implies that Mario was within the blast.
 * Third is the Sonic Movie. We do see Dr. Metal Robotnik fire a missile that has a massive blast force. The final missile (the one that Sonic redirected) explodes so close to Sonic that the ground cracks beneath him. Was Sonic actually within the blast? That's debatable. But if Mario is given this much of a benefit of the doubt, why was this scene completely ignored by comparison?
 * This analysis has a conclusion that doesn't fit with what is shown in the scene, is using false assumptions, does not give both combatants an equal examination, and most importantly: makes no sense to the consistent depiction of the character. A character with a history as massive as Mario would inevitably have at least one 'feat' that would seem extreme or out of place, which is exactly why such moments need to be looked at more carefully. This has nothing to do with my opinions for or against Mario, he and I are both spaghetti-loving Sicilians. But I want to see regular Mario: not SMBZ Mario, not Mario Mario. Because even if I would approve of a Mario victory, I would not accept the victory if Mario was so highballed that he was essentially Thor: it no longer feels like a Mario episode.
 * Side note: The 'Castle Avatar' is another complaint I had, but this topic was already a volatile debate even before this episode aired, so I won't say anything other than that it's another example of an inconsistency that DB over-analyzed.

God Tier Batman

 * If we are allowed to use inconsistent outliers to highball our characters, then I can easily make an argument for Batman being able to defeat Spiderman, Ironman, maybe even The Hulk with physique alone.
 * Strength: Batman has been able to hurt Solomon Grundy with punches. Grundy has been able to match Superman in combat. Grundy scales to Superman. Batman scales to Grundy. Batman can lift infinity.
 * Durability: Batman has survived being assaulted by an enraged Darkseid (most noticeably in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse). Darkseid is on par with Superman, Superman lifts infinity, Batman has infinite durability.
 * Speed: Batman dodged the Omega Beams. The Omega Beams have caught up with Flash and Superman, both of whom are fast enough to time travel. Batman is fast enough to time travel.
 * If Batman's strength was so extreme: why then did he need nuclear bomb radiation, a nuclear winter to block out the sun, and a Mech Batsuit just to kind-of be match a restrained Superman in combat (in The Dark Knight Returns)? Why has he needed to, as Death Battle pointed out, consistently exploit Bane's weakness (his venom tubes) or use other unorthodox methods (run him over with the batmobile) in order to win? Shouldn't Batman be able to do things like throw cars, break through steel, overpower the multiple times he has been restrained instead of using escape-artist techniques? The reason why this argument is an inconsistent outlier is not because Batman fought Solomon Grundy only once (he has fought him multiple times), but rather it's because this conclusion does not match the MAJORITY of Batman's depictions elsewhere. It also has to be stated that Grundy, like Bane, has had to be defeated unconventionally multiple times by Batman: including electrical shock or knock out gas. Not to mention that Grundy's physique is highly inconsistent and Superman frequently uses restraint, so scaling Batman to these two in this way doesn't make much sense.
 * There are plenty of bank robbers, nazis and terrorists that have been punched by superhumans as 'normal' as Captain America to as super as Superman: and yet these badguys are normally just ko'd and thrown in jail. This is just one of many tropes within fiction as a whole which shows just how hard it is to scale characters in this manner. Superman has fought Batman multiple times and can either throw him across a room or throw him into space (aaaaaaand into the sun): but being a nice guy who avoids murder, Supes prefers the former action. Even the aforementioned Darkseid example was actually Darkseid trying to threaten Batman with brute force to stop Batman from nuking Apokolips: it's directly stated that Darkseid was actually unable to Omega Beam Batman because doing so would doom Apokolips. It would be more accurate to look at Batman in the most strait forward way: his armor. Now some fictional armor is used for ascetics primarily: the Saiyan Saga in DBZ has --
 * If Batman is that fast: why does he need vehicles for long distance travel, why is he so dependent on stealth?
 * Batman is stated, on multiple occasions, to have no superpowers. Sometimes he becomes a Green Lantern, and he did have a series with him getting buffed by Nth Metal: however these are the exceptions.---
 * Not to mention that all three examples I listed here do use scaling between characters in order to reach the conclusions. Now comparing Batman to say Nightwing makes sense since both characters use similar weapons and are normal humans of similar physique. Goku and Vegeta are also very similar and can be compared to each other to some extent. But Justice League is diverse in the humans, superhumans, aliens, zombies and gods that they have: I can't assume that Superman has Darkseid's Omega Effect traits. Like Death Battle said, you can't compare Goku with Non-Saiyan characters like Buu: Goku can't do 'candy magic' or perform absurd regeneration.

Scout is Spy

 * DB Scout doesn't make much sense. And although the hosts confirmed that Scout cannot use his gun, he is depicted using his bat... which he also cannot use during Bonk! But the strangest thing is that he was able to use his Home Run kill-taunt almost instantly (despite the taunt taking 5 seconds to perform) and Tracer... survives it (despite Tracer being the frailest Overwatch character in terms of stats, and the kill taunt able to instantly kill a Heavy). Scout is also allowed to use both the Pistol and Bonk! in the same loadout. By that logic, a Demoman Death Battle should allow him to carry 2 claymores: as awesome as that sounds, it's clearly unfair. But I will support the hosts for not highballing Scout's durability during Meet The Medic, and these alterations didn't affect the end result: I just expected Scout to act more like actual Scout.

Multiuniversal

 * https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Goomba_(Canon)/Metal875
 * Green Lantern vs Alien X
 * The official statement is: "Hal's ability to kill Mandrakk proves his ring can damage higher-dimensional beings even beyond Celestialsapiens. While a Ben 10 creator claimed Alien X could destroy a multiverse in "six thoughts," this is not supported in canon and is likely a joke." The issue is that these cosmic characters are so absurd that we are trying to measure how many universes of power they are, before we in real life have confirmed the actual size of our own universe. The reason why 'multiversal', 'higher dimensional' and 'infinite' are used to refer to the most godlike characters is because it's so absurd to conceptualize anything beyond this. Not to mention that fiction doesn't always agree on which of these terms are superior in scale. Not all fiction recognizes the concept of a multiverse. If universes are finite: then universal < multiversal < infinite. If universes are infinite, then does multiversal > infinity? Can you go beyond infinity that way? I also want to mention that the food in Sausage Party are officially stated to be from the 4th dimension, but are obviously inferior to humans of the 3rd dimension in almost every way.
 * Hal's accomplished far more universe-level feats than Alien X, such as overpowering the U-Bomb. Based on the greater size of DC's observable universe, this would produce 10 times more energy than Alien X's universal feat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5WDdvkFaDg
 * I personally prefer the Death Battles that have the most strait forward and simple conclusions, ones that don't look at calculations because they don't need to. These conclusions feel more concrete, because any potential miscalculations are irrelevant.
 * Goku and the Z-Fighters need to at least start out relatively weaker to the newest villain to make that villain be intimidating by their superior power: Superman is as 'SUPER' as the story needs him to be and could just match anyone else in terms of physique having his biggest issues only with kryptonite (and other weaknesses), magic (which screws up anyone), and characters with OP powers (Parasite can just steal your powers) or who are other godlike characters (including other kryptonians like Bizarro, Zod and Doomsday). It's transinfinite growth vs someone who can be as 'SUPER' as necessary, including infinite (yes including 'multiversal', yes this has happened with Superman, yes I have to point that out, no there is nothing saying that Superman authors are not allowed to declare this).
 * Hulk has been stated multiple times to have potentially infinite strength if angry enough, meaning he should be able to SMASH anything that can be SMASHED. But Doomsday has already been SMASHED to death in the past, which thanks to his adaptation revival powers, means that he's IMMUNE TO SMASHING.
 * Thanos' IG guarantees him control over his own universe, but True Darkseid lives within his own universe. The IG cannot simultaneously stay in the Marvel Universe and kill someone outside of that universe.
 * Ghost Rider and Lobo are both nigh immortal, but Ghost Rider actually has abilities and weapons designed to kill immortals while Lobo does not. Ghost Rider fights immortal demons and ghosts all the time, his arsenal is designed to fight Lobo: even if Lobo suffers so much damage that he is reduced to a spirit. And obviously the Penance Stare would screw up a madman who commits planetary genocide (yes the Penance Stare isn't perfect, but does work the majority of the time, yes even against The Punisher).

pseudosceince and self-contradictory logic
 * Harada's armor may have been tougher, but it had plenty of exposed weak points, which a fighter as precise as Shredder could exploit. Shredder's ninja precision
 * Electron Mario = Regular Mario & Reaction Time = Reaction Time + Massive Speed Advantage / Superhot (movement speed, attacking speed/rate of fire, precision)
 * Peach's sheep (I know the hosts confirmed that the depicted

GAME MECHANICS
 * Castle Avatar vs Popup: In the manga, Weiss has some greater feats, such as using Glyphs to pull meteors from space! These feats are unsupported by primary canon or stem from non-canon gags. Thwomps, Womps, Chain Chomps, other depictions of the castle.
 * Pokemon Battle Royale
 * Wishcash Master Ball. Yes the game mechanic of 'the Masterball guarantees capture IF it's captures' is still clearly stated within the anime canon, it's just that throwing any Pokeball at a Pokemon doesn't guarantee that it will land. This is a good example of how context is relevant, and how game mechanics can be both right and wrong when applied to the other canons, or a realistic scenario. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfWc3QWxVp0 https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/794/555/19a.jpg
 * Crossover Canons are more absurd: Mario/Sonic at the Olympic Games (toned down to human physique, Bowser can outrun Sonic).
 * Basically why most Justice League leaders are on par with Superman
 * Yugioh monsters?
 * Yugioh monsters?

mob mentality

violent obsessive tantrums

toxicity can drag people into it, myself included. I actually developed a 'rule' on the internet: I will not reply more than 5 times in a row if I detect any hostility or aggression within it, because I am most likely talking to someone who is too stubborn to change their mind and too immature to listen. I actually tried to join a Death Battle Podcast Group and I was rejected for 'changing my mind' during a debate, the host said that I shouldn't be doing that: it was either alien or taboo to him, it sounds illogical but he was very serious.

Clearly defined rules (normally), no outside support, 1-hit-ko moves don't always guarantee victory (Jojo/Kenshiro).