Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-31816534-20171007133831

Metal Mario875 wrote: @Savage: Awesome. I enjoyed the debate--thank you for that. :)

@Blur:

1. Intelligence literally means nothing if he simply can't hurt him and anything Mario does reduces him to nothingness. Yeah, sure, his intellect is impressive; not denying that. I'm denying his intelligence making any difference.

2. And what'll Mario do? Keep dodging and land one hit to one-shot. That simple. Also, Mario has feats above the feats in Super Mario Galaxy. Like, feats that are Infinite and Immeasurable in speed. All versions of Ben lose bad if I were to bring up those feats... regardless, no. In the first Super Mario Galaxy, you are right, he was only that speed with Launch Stars. The second Mario Galaxy, though, he literally outspeeds the same meteors that tag Starship Mario. I explained above, bro.

3. Not lifting strength, striking strength. If you were to talk of GBE, that'd be, like, Small Planet level in terms of attack potency. With that said, that level would lose bad to many Marios.

4. Wish it out of existence? Manipulate his body, cause he's done so with his own energy? Mario has bent his own energy into a hockey stick, or even spheres that he then shot at Bowser that even split into dozens and home in on the foe. Mario has visually bent energy--I don't see how this would be different. And besides, what about transmutation?

5. Besides the fact that Mario is faster than Gladiator, point understood. But again, this isn't the same thing. Mario is a lot faster than the Gladiator, and he tanked black holes anyway, so snagging him and tossing him in makes no difference. Raphael returned because resurrection is a thing, and that Mario has no continuity, thus, those games could be the other way around with Raphael dying in Yoshi's Island and appearing before that, and so on. I mean, that's the equivalent of saying that, since Bouldergeist returns in SMG2, then the Marios in the two Galaxies are different. Resurrection has been embraced, like, a lot in Mario. And thank you for clearing that up, but I still don't see that working out for him. Question: has he done that before?

6. There's a difference. Knuckles popped out of the ground when Super Sonic was flying by, and nailed him because he knew Sonic was coming and caught him by surprise. Lubba and Bowser were both VERY well acquainted with the other's presence, and Bowser had to keep up with him, aim, and shoot the meteors, as well as successfully nail a talented pilot. Which he did.

7. Mario doesn't play fair--he never has. He'll use the environment and steal and then utilize things against the foe if he needs to. And he literally time traveled because he heard Bowser had. Either way, Mario doesn't need the Pure Hearts to win.

1. Fair point, but if Ben can get a good scan, he can know what aliens to use against Mario.

2. Infinite? Immeasurable? How exactly can a human, a being with limits, have something infinite? Pretty-self-contradictory.

3. If you exclude the Subdora incident, the only time Goop lost due to spinning was when Ssserpent, yes that's this name, literally put Goop in a blender.

4. Is that energy tangible? In a way, yes. Is NRG's true form tangible. No.

5. Even while tanking the hole, consiering the fact that Alien X is a Universal being, I don't Mario's tanked universal black holes. Also, there is the whole " Just split back into multiple Alien X's and keep Mario within you."

6. Even while he knew, he still had to react, doesn't make a difference. Also saying that Lubba and Bowser knew each other's presence only supports what I said.

7. He time traveled because Bowser had, but what does that have to do with Tennyson? Plus, Ben can time travel using Clockwork.