Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-26374068-20171107025920

2. Sonic "holding back" has nothing to do with this. His feats are consistently placed within a Tier 5 fashion and FTL speed. He has dozens of statements and feats that are FTL only, so this feat plus, like, one other isn't going to make him take such a massive jump.

6. A Goomba ain't holding a sword, knife nor anything of the sort. Nor do Koopa Troopas, or Shy-Guys. Does Mario care? No. And one example of Ben not holding back isn't enough to say he'll never hold back. Mario consistently doesn't hold back. Can the same be said for Ben? Do you have more examples?