Talk:Comment Section Central/@comment-35104290-20191109162112/@comment-26558142-20191109180902

1. Nay (mostly due to Giornos too vague explained power limits)

2. Joker should much stronger and faster than Gioeno. Even an action reset should end in an infinite death loop for Giorno.

3. Spirited Gangstar

4. Persona

5. Joker

Honest opinion on this fight: The only saving grace for Giorno is GERs ability to reset everything to zero and some pretty heavy fan wank imo.

The first problem is, that there seems to be a limit to GERs power or else he would have ended Stone Oceans ending. Since it didn't, it has to have a certain limit. Since Yaldobaoth in P5 fused two universes and Joker beat him, Joker could very well exceed this limit. Even without this limit for GER, there is the problem with speed. Many Jojo fans will argue for the movement in stopped time, but did it really move? If it's ability activates even if Giorno dies, than it wouldn't need to move in stopped time since it could activate it's effect after time flows normally. Also regarding the N/A in all categories, it basically tells us that it's stats are above everything else in the series, but not by how much. GER is faster than light, but we can't assume that it has no limits because of that. And since we see Joker also moving in what appears to be stopped time (when he first enters Tokio), he should be treated the same as GER if you give GER the time stopped movement.

In the end, GERs vague limits makes this fight a pain to deal with. If it has no limit, why did the end of Stone Ocean happen (since it would kill Giorno)? Do we see the ability to reset fighting spirit to zero in action or not, since it could play a role in the outcome (there is that writers comment on GER stat page, but if we don't see it in universe, it is questionable imo).