Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-26458478-20151110034754/@comment-26259074-20151112004418

Superbuting wrote: MagicRock wrote: Superbuting wrote: MagicRock wrote: Superbuting wrote: MagicRock wrote: Superbuting wrote: MagicRock wrote: Arigarmy wrote: Quauntonaut wrote: Dedede can give Kirby trouble, and barely get beat by him, while Bowser almost always gets beat by Mario Actually, there's a difference there.

Pretty much 99.99% of the times Bowser is beaten is caued by either his contraptions working against him or the environment. Tell me one time Bowser was beaten down and defeated for good by Mario with the use of fisticuffs and physical assault straight up.

You could say Mario and Luigi series, but didn't you say that was a different universe in itself? You beat Bowser with physical assault in Mario Galaxy and Mario Galaxy 2 In both galaxy 1 and 2, it's still the enviroment working against Bowser. In most of these cases, the enviroment makes Bowser vunerable, allowing Mario/Luigi to hit Bowser. The brothers wouldn't be able to hurt Bowser otherwise. Ok, but it wouldnt really matter anyway since he still becomes bones from lava when Dedede has survived a planet sized explosion. Soooo... 2 things 1. in Galaxy 2 Bowser survived being sucked into a black hole twice and 2. Bowser doesn't always become bones when he's submerged in lava. Also, Koopas seem to have the ability to survive as just s skeleton, as seen with the Mario enemies: Dry bones. And according to Ultraguy's Bowser blog, Dry Bowser can be broken apart, but just like every other Dry Bones out there, can reassamble himself. 2 things

1. Bowser did not survive a black hole, this has been said and explained multiple times yet that is the only durability feat you can come up with besides lava

2. If Bowser is as tough as you say, why does he even need Kamek to use magic on him so he can survive in the New Super Mario Bros series. I mean, if he can "survive" a black hole, I'm pretty sure he can survive lava. Watch some SMG2 final boss gameplay footage sometime. You'll know what I'm talking about. The first time Mario knocked the Grand Star out wasn't a black hole, it looks like dark magic, the same kind of magic Bowser used to teleport away after losing the other 2 Grand Stars

The second time, we never saw Bowser again after that except for the credits, as a tiny Bowser, can you explain why he is tiny?

It is also good to note that Mario Galaxy 2 takes place in a book, so it is likely made up. Finally, there is also the fact that neither of those "black holes" looked like the black holes found in the game, it doesnt even look like the one where the galaxy is. Why Bowser's tiny? I would say an attempt on humor on Nintendo's part. They are a company that makes games for kids after all.

And as for your claim that SMG2 takes place in a book, there's only that one cutscene where Rosalina closes the book. Besides, the baby Luma who accompanied Mario in SMG2 has Mario's hat, implying the story was true. And finally on to your claim that the "black holes" aren't black holes; if they aren't black holes, then what are they? Forgot about the luma with Mario's hat, excuse me from forgetting that. As for the "black holes," how did Bowser escape it? How did he suddenly get to the Mushroom Kingdom from falling into a black hole, which light cannot even escape? There are at least two possible explanations.

1. He used his magic to teleport back to the Mushroom Kingdom, but since he was weakened, it came with a side effect, him being tiny (or what you said about it being a joke)

2. That was actually a wormhole, think about it, how would Bowser get from several galaxies to the Mushroom Kingdom? From a wormhole, though I don't know if a wormhole is as strong or stronger than a black hole, so if it is then mercy lol