Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31270269-20170313181642/@comment-31816534-20171229211820

Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Zacmariozero wrote: TheMetallicBlur wrote: Metal Sonic VS Zero - From the moment they said Sonic isn't faster than light, I knew something was wrong. Metal Sonic is faster as well as smarter. Even excluding the scan and copy ability, its quite funny how they left out Sonic Boom, a move that covers Metal in a protective aura while tackling foes, and Chroma Camo, a move that turns Metal Sonic invisible. Also, there's no way Zero should even be able to tickle Metal Overlord considering the fact that Super beings can't. Literally what

Zero has Star and Solar System level feats, he'd do more than tickle Metal Overlord, he'd cleave the fucker.

I see. So you think that Zero > Super Sonic, Super Tails, and Super Knuckles. That's embarrasing. Yes, I indeed do. Star Level to SS/MSS > Planetary

NINJA EDIT: Also what fucking feats do Super Tails and Super Knuckles have? They were literally one-off forms that came around before Super Sonic was even planetary.

Planetary, huh? Is that what the Eclipse Cannon at full power is? Cause last time I checked, it's capable of piercing stars. The highest feat we see it do is blast the Moon in half. Piercing stars is very likely hyperbole. The Final Egg Blaster is capable of piercing stars WITHOUT the Chaos Emeralds. As smart as Eggman is, he's not smarter than his grandfather. so it would make sense that Eclipse Cannon > Final Egg Blaster, unless you're telling me that Eggman > Gerald in intelligence which is just wrong. Prove to me that Gerald is smarter than Eggman. Also, even then, that's incredibly iffy scaling to say the least. The Final Egg Blaster clearly had more destructive output than we've seen the Eclipse Cannon ever do. 1. So you're telling me that a creation made by someone less smart is more advanced than a creation made by someone smarter. Pfft!

2. The Eclipse Cannon wasn't actually at full power since it only had Six Chaos Emeralds. 1. Yes, I am. Again, you've yet to prove to me how Gerald is smarter.

2. Okay, but we haven't seen it at its full power. We can't just say "STAR LEVEL BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN." If that was true, then Vergil's sword could literally cut through anything because they said so.

1. Apparently, Gerald's not smarter, but of equal intelligence. Also, that logic makes no sense that someone less skilled in mechanics can build something more advanced than something made by someone skilled in mechanics.

2. You're saying that someone who has researched the Chaos Emeralds can't be a reliable source for how powerful the Chaos Emeralds are? That makes no sense. There was a misunderstanding somewhere here based on what I read about the Eclipse Canon, so lemme just clear that up:

It can only pierce stars, not bust them. That isn't Star Level at all.

That aside, there is evidence to show that the Chaos Emeralds aren't as powerful as, say, the Final Egg Blaster. Emerl has the ability to absorb Chaos Emerald energy- the more he absorbs, the stronger he gets.

He also has the ability to form links with people/things that are stronger than him and that only, and will not listen until it is established.

Once he gets the seven Chaos Emeralds, guess what he links with? The Final Egg Blaster. By the story's own logic, a machine powered by the seven Emeralds is still weaker than the Final Egg Blaster.

So, basically, Final Egg Blaster > Chaos Emeralds, which also means that nobody scales. No MSS Metal Sonic, Zero still blitzes, outhaxes, and cleaves. So apparently, Solaris is only Planet? Besides, its not just the Emeralds, but the people using them. Classic Super Sonic was able to take on the Phantom King as well as the Time Eater. Granted, Classic Super Sonic had help from Modern Super Sonic, but 1/2 of Universal Energy >>>>> Zero. And Classic super Sonic > Dreamcast Era Super Sonic. So yeah. Solaris was retconned tho, literally everything in Sonic 2006 got completely retconned by endgame. Hell, Sonic only really beat him by targeting his weak spots, and didn't even harm his physical body.

Also, after reading up on the Time Eater, it seems like his universal fuckery was more via fucking with time, not necessarily by destructive means. If I went back in time and fucked up the universe by changing something that would rewrite history, that wouldn't make me universe level.

1. Just because they didn't happen doesn't mean they can't happen.

2. Keep in mind that the Time Eater is able to knock Sonic unconscious. The same Sonic who can go ten rounds with Ultimate Emerl, or is that not permissible because its above Zero? 1. There's no proof about it happening in any main timeline though, there's no statements or showcasing of feats that he'd be as powerful as he was in the retconned timeline.

2. That is incredibly fucking inconsistent. Sonic needed Super Sonic to beat a City Level threat in Sonic Adventure, yet you're saying Base Sonic could beat a Planetary threat? Seriously? That is the book definition of an outlier. Also, if you're implying that I'm being biased in Zero's favor, then, well, I'm not. If Metal legit won, I'd concede, but he doesn't. He does not have the raw power, hax, or speed to even remotely keep up with Zero.

1. You're right. There's proof of Sonic being even more powerful as he was able to beat Perfect Chaos without his Super form.

2. So you keep saying the Chaos Emeralds are only Planet, but say that Perfect Chaos, someone powered by seven Chaos Emeralds, is only City? That's inconsistent. Also, keep in mind that Metal sonic is capable of interplanetary travel in a damaged state. So yeah, he's not as slow as you though he was. As for hax, Metal Sonic has access to Chaos Control, invisibility, psychic confusion that somehow works on robots, paralyzation, and armor piercing. And despite what Screwattack said, the moves Metal copies aren't inferior versions cause when he uses them, its to the same profiency. Chaos Emeralds became Planetary as of Sonic Unleashed. They were less powerful in Sonic Adventure as they were in Unleashed. Plus there are several arguments you could make about Sonic becoming stronger overtime, which supports Super Sonic becoming stronger over the course of the games.

"Also, Metal Sonic is capable of interplanetary travel in a damaged state."

That has been calced as Mach 30. Compared to Zero, that's cute. Zero scales to Dark Elf Powered X, who wiped out the entire Maverick/Sigma Virus from every corner of the Earth. Even ignoring MMZ feats (Which might be debatable to consider since DB largely didn't use MMZ feats), Zero can casually avoid attacks from Optic Sunflower, whose attacks are MFTL+. Even Classic Rock's asteroid dodging feat is MFTL, a speed that Metal cannot reach, and Zero is leagues above Rock.

"As for hax, Metal has access to Chaos Control, invisibility, psychic confusion, paralyzation, and armor piercing."

Armor piercing and paralyzation are irrelevant since Metal cannot feasibly hurt Zero (Town-Continental if being generous VS SS -MSS ), Zero can counter Chaos Control with Dark Hold and would likely pop off his Time Manipulation first because he, as stated, is much faster.

If we wanna talk about Zero's hax, then, well, lemme explain: Time Manipulation with Dark Hold; Clone Creation with Sougenmu and W-Shredder; Is literally programmed adapt and learn to various fighting styles mainly via implementing them into his Z-Saber, though he has copied Buster-based attacks as well; Omnidirectional energy blasts with Rakuhoha and Rekkoha; Omnidirectional slashes with C-Sword; Omnidirectional Barriers with Yammar Option; Earthquake Creation with Dairettsu+T. Breaker (though Metal's flight would admittedly counter that); Fire hotter than the surface of the Sun (This is somewhat debatable, though, given that Mega Man used fire of such a caliber and MMX tech is way more powerful/advanced, it is plausible); Absolute-zero ice (See last parenthesis); Can increase his own durability/speed with Nightshade Zero; Can double his stats with Absolute Zero; Can fire Ittou Ryoudan: Genmu Zero, which can one-shot X, who has SS level durabiliity.

Regardless of the replies, I am done here, because this robotic cock-size contest is really starting to get annoying. Let this thread continue as normal.

Fare thee well.

1. Captain Marvel can fly to the end of an atmosphere and that's Mach 247. But Metal Sonic does interplanetary travel and that's Mach 30? It makes Zero sense.

2. How is Armor Piercing irrelevant when you can literally go past the person's defense?

3. Metal also has Time Manipulation thanks to Chaos Control.

4. Metal Sonic also has Omnidirectional barriers with Bat Guard.

5. Metal Sonic also has Earthquake Creation thanks to Knuckle slam, which serves Offensive and Defensive purposes.

6. Know what can counter that fire? A shield of fire.

7. Fire shield > Ice.

8. Metal Sonic can also increase his speed with Sonic Boom and Chroma Camo as well as turn invisible with Camo.

9. Neo Metal Sonic can shapeshift into anyone by turning into a liquid metal puddle.

10. Metal Overlord is fast enough to keep pace with Super Beings and fire crystal cages that can contain Super Beings. Super Knuckles is physically stronger than Super Shadow, who can lift the Black Comet over his head. Much heavier than a castle.

If you don't like this, you shouldn't have started it, just saiyan. but I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.