Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20170704040809/@comment-30870165-20170712140540

Metal Mario875 wrote: @Clock: That sounds like a plan. But at that point, IMO, Bowser would just stomp. :/

Physical Strength: Are we talking physical strength? Many troopers in Bowser's army have a high physique, so I don't see Eggman taking that.

Attack Potency: Shadow Mario alone makes up for any of Eggman's advantages, as I pointed out above. And a lot of Bowser's minions are far stronger than Metal Overlord. The Super forms' tier is a variable, ranging anywhere from Large Planet to Universe+. Metal obviously doesn't scale to the high-end, but I can see him scaling to 4-A since he's Eggman's "ultimate creation," which should put him above the 4-A Final Egg Blaster. Meanwhile, the Koopalings' standard tiers scale to Mario's, that being 3-B as I illustrated in the last thread. You can disagree, I'm just giving my opinion. :)

Speed: Depends on what characters are involved. If we are including all of Bowser's army, then that includes the Elite Trio, who outspeed even RPG Mario in Dream Team, who (in that game specifically, too) was Massively FTL+. Including everyone causes Eggman to be speedblitzed and, depending on what tiers are used for Bowser, he could do the same.

Durability: I don't recall many feats for Eggman's robots that put them above Bowser's Koopas. As a matter of fact, it's kind of a given at this point that Koopas are highly resilient. And when they die? They become Boos according to Super Mario World, who are even more threatening than half of Bowser's army. And as the King of Boos puts it: Ghosts can't die.

Numbers: I agree. That's definitely a tie.

Intelligence: I'll admit that some troopers are literally Mentally Impaired (such as Goombas). But Bowser, the Koopalings, Boos, Hammer Bros and Shy-Guys dust Eggman's Empire in smarts. The Shy-Guys are master builders, and have worked countless contraptions over the years. Bowser has literally created a working space station, and Ludwig as well as Iggy have created remarkable technology. Just tell me if you wanna know a few things they've made. :)

Weaponry: Why does everyone keep forgetting that Bowser's army specializes in transmutative, size changing, durability negating magic? It's even stated outright the Koopa Troop specializes in black magic. Magic > Technology.

Hax: Koopa Troop. If we're including everyone, that includes all magic wielders, Kamek, Junior and King Boo. The latter two are very heavy on hax, and Bowser himself has a lot as well. Strength-Like who?

Attack Potency-Yeah, I still don't agree with Mario being a higher tier.

Speed-Sonic is faster than Mario. And since some bots are designed to keep up with him, that's why the Eggman Empire should trump.

Durability-Not many, maybe, but surely above the Koopa Troop.

Intelligence-Them building contraptions is nice, but they still don't scale to highly intelligent AI. I think we can both agree Eggman outclasses Bowser in smarts.

Weaponry-Not when that technology is star destroying.

Hax-Hmmm. Well, things like Chaos Control can balance it out. And like I said before, if Eggman has the Chaos Emeralds, this becomes a toss up.