Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20171003210326/@comment-26374068-20171107032217

2. Except it doesn't in the sense that Sonic has been stated and shown numerous times to peak at FTL. You're going to need A LOT of feats to make him MFTL+, as that insinuation and that one feat won't cut it.

6. Well then, BOTH Mario AND Ben won't be holding back here, except Ben might at first, considering that's a "failsafe."

Also, Ben may have fought people that wanted to kill him, but just about everyone in fiction has. Yet, there are still that underestimate, still a few that hold back, still some that are outright pacifists. The list goes on...