Talk:Mario VS Sonic/@comment-27737315-20161003204451/@comment-26374068-20161227061334

@Wither: Not really. Here, this'll help my explanation.

Nintendo and Intelligent Systems were in cahoots whilst making Paper Mario, so, therefore, it is canon, as Nintendo assisted in the creation and/or signed another company off to use the title Mario. To add on, in a 2012 interview Game Informer had with the man himself, Shigeru Miyamoto, it was indirectly confirmed that the Mario franchise has absolutely no canon nor non-canon to speak of.

Miyamoto refers to the characters as a 'troupe of actors' capable of adopting 'any role' that they please.

To stack my proof even higher outside of direct confirmation, there's the fact that proof of Mario and Paper Mario being separate entities altogether was only hinted at in the commercial, and was strangely absent in the actual game itself. And the game overrides the commercial.

If we were to use commercials as proof, then Sticker Star's has Mario turn into Paper Mario. But that's actually supported by the back of TTYD's case, which reads, and I quote, "Get ready for a two-dimensional role-playing game for the ages as Mario returns to paper form to discover a mystery that sleeps behind an ancient, legendary portal called the Thousand-Year Door."

Besides, Nintendo has done this sort of thing before. When? Well, my good sir, watch this. See how Bowser falls into the lava and his skin melts off to form... you guessed it... Dry Bowser.

Now that you have seen it with your own eyes, Mario Party Island Tour has Bowser state that Dry Bowser is a family member of his... WHAT?! But that's contradictory--he turned into Dry Bowser right in front of us! Well, long story short, Nintendo doesn't make games for them to make sense.

They don't care if they make contradictions--as a matter of fact, it's the nature of the Mario franchise to make contradictions. Nintendo makes Mario to put a smile on kids' faces and to make money--not for any story. I believe that was made quite evident to us long ago. So, Paper Jam's commercial that only hinted they were different people VS Miyamoto's confirmation, TTYD's case and Sticker Star's commercial, plus the natural nature of the Mario franchise...

If you, for some reason, still aren't buying it, tell Ben and Chad themselves not to use it. In Luigi VS Tails, they mention that he defeated Dimentio. Here, I'll quote: " Wiz: Even without it, Luigi has defeated  Dimentio, discovered the  Grand Final Galaxy , raised a ravenous man-eating dinosaur, and even rescued Mario from certain doom on three separate occasions.  The Green Thunder can pretty much do it all."

Long story short, no, Mario and Paper Mario are the same. Debates about Mario's canona re pure speculation--after all, the man himself says Mario is Mario. Period.