Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20170606023747/@comment-31816534-20170902212825

Metal Mario875 wrote: 1. When has Sonic fought Universes (like, guys that are the universe), Universe Bombardiers, Psychopaths, Sociopaths, Electrokinesis Users, Dinosaurs, Monkeys/Guerrillas, himself, Sentient Weapons or Martial Artists? Mario has been around a lot longer and dealt with a lot more than Sonic has, but that doesn't matter. This isn't a deciding factor when Sonic can't scathe Mario.

2. I like how you compared Sonic's most complex boss to Mario's least complex enemy. How about literally any boss in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle? Let's throw in a new game. All of those bosses take unfathomable more strategy than any Sonic boss. And there's plenty more.

3. Wario's Woods and Captain Toad would like to have a word with you. And besides--Toad contributes quite a bit in those adventures anyway. And besides, you're saying that, even though this black hole visually sucks in light, it's weak because a weak character can escape it? No, that's a feat for the weak character, not something you use to say that feat is invalid. By that logic, because Mario can struggle, and because he's really strong, that means this black hole was a super behemoth.

It doesn't work like that.

4. Actually, he can run at those speeds. And he can't run on water because the game doesn't want him to. Game mechanics. By that logic, why can't Sonic always run up walls in every game? I guess that means he's less than 9 meters per second (or, less than 25 miles per hour) in running speed, amirite?

5. Well, if Sonic and Tails are such threats, I don't see why they wouldn't resort to telepathy. Sonic hasn't resorted to strategy except, like, once or twice, why would he do it now?

You shot yourself in the foot, there.

1. So you're telling me that Sonic can't win because he's never fought monkeys?

2. Considering the fact that it's a turn-based tactics game, I'd say that Mario strategizes in some situations but not a lot.

3. Wasn't Wario's woods during the time that Wario wasn't as powerful as he is?

4. You do realize that Sonic is seen running in Generations and Lost World, right? Plus, Mario's never been seen running at MFTL speeds without a Launch Star.

5. Mario and Luigi aren't gonna see Sonic and Tails as much threats. In fact, the Bros. might not even know what Sonic and Tails are. They might mistake them for aliens or animal hybrids.