Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31270269-20170521164627/@comment-31816534-20170624212832

Metal Mario875 wrote:

TheMetallicBlur wrote: Ok here's something. Sonic has an attack called Time stop that literally lets him stop time. And no Metal, Mario is not faster than time nor can he control it. The game lets you fight in a timeless world because logically speaking, in order to move in a timeless world, you would need to be able to exist outside of time and Mario can't do that. Now I know what you're thinking "But wait, you can't apply logic to the Mario universe." Well, without logic, there's no foundations for Mario's abilities and we can't have that now can we? Also, you don't know all of Sonic's power ups, do you? He not only has the three elemental shields, but he also has: Teleporter, Grow, Slow, Power Sneakers, Time Stop, Rocket Shoes, Confusion, Gold Shield, and S. Mario may have more power ups, but Sonic has enough to get the job done. Super Sonic, in particular, can counter anything Mario can handle. Ice Flower Fire Flower, Gold Flower Metal Cap Starman Mega Mushroom Goomba's Shoe Wing Cap < Super Sonic. Keep in mind that Rings are a game mechanic. Super Sonic can last for days. Now I know you'll say " Oh, but Super Sonic was tired in his fight with Dark Gaia!" If that's the case, explain why he didn't get tired with Time Eater, who is far more powerful than Dark Gaia. Now I know you'll go all "Wait, what about the White Tanooki?" Well, Sonic can Chaos Control the Tanooki away. Invinciblity Leaf, you say? Chaos Control to go back to time and stop Mario from activating it. Even better, Super Sonic can power the other Sonic and do a double team Super Sonic on Mario. Actually, I just wanted to get this off my chest and Screwattack's logic says that Mario and Sonic power ups counter each other, so whether you like it or not, it's pretty logical to assume that they won't include Mario and Sonic power ups in a rematch. Again, just had to get this off my chest. Before I get into your arguments, I just wanna address the "gotta get this off my chest" thing. Mate, you've been pretty damn flustered at me since the Luigi VS Knuckles debate. And while I can understand being upset at someone who relentlessly keeps coming back (as some people put it, I "infinitely return"), at least bring it up to me myself, instead of talking about me behind my back. Crazy how we use to be pretty cool, and now we're attacking each other from our blind spots because we have different sides in a debate? Come on. That's all I'm going to say about that--I'll drop it there. But that needs to be said.

1. Here, lemme copypaste you an explanation of Culex's speed, real quick:

Speed: Infinite (Culex is the Master of Time and Space, and can consume time. Thus, timeless voids would be his natural environment. He also holds time from its beginning to its end, and during his fight, he was crossing between dimensions. And he was about to leave Mario's and go back to Vanda--thus, he was in between dimensions at the time. Meaning, he was outside of the space-time continuum--which qualifies for infinite speed)

Guess who defeated Culex? MARIO. Thus, he does have infinite speed. Time Stop wouldn't effect Mario at all, when in the perspective of base Sonic. Super Sonic? Yes, because he also has a likely probability for infinite speed. And, uhh... Mario can control time and space. He did so in Yoshi's New Island. He time traveled and, as the game puts it, "warped time and space." Bowser did the same thing.

2. Mario doesn't care about logic. You say there has to be a set logic? Well, what if the set logic is that there is none? It does make sense, and explains all of Mario's inconsistency, and even goes hand in hand to Miyamoto's explanation.

3. I can't believe you literally stated that the Starman, Metal Cap, Fire Flower, Ice Flower, Mega Mushroom and Gold Fire Flower are weaker than Super Sonic. Do you not realize what half of those Power-ups do? What's stopping Ice Mario from freezing Super Sonic solid with absolute zero ice, and giving him hypothermia? What's stopping Fire Mario from cooking him and giving him hyperthermia? What's stopping Starman Mario, who increases Mario's statistics drastically, from one-punching Super Sonic? Mario is already superior to Super Sonic in base. Mega Mario, Metal Mario... those increase stats as well. Gold Mario can literally turn Super Sonic to lifeless gold, BYPASSING durability! It doesn't even matter how strong Super Sonic is. You're really downplaying Mario's Power-ups here.

4. The Rings themselves are game mechanics, but in no way are they invalidated by Sonic Advance. That game is one I have to counter a lot. So here, lemme give you a question... was Super Sonic actually fighting during that time? Nope. That destroys the entire thing. Why? Because Sonic '06 explains everything, at that point. Take the final boss. When one Super form is battling Solaris, their energy is rapidly depleting. Just like every other showing of the Super forms. Then, you can swap out when they get tired, allowing them to exit the fight. What happens? Oh, they only recover energy. No biggie, right? When they're in a fight, the Rings are a canon and accurate timer for the Super forms. When out of a fight? They rapidly recover energy, and can last for days.

5. Chaos Control the Tanooki away? What's that gonna do, truly? Mario will just come back. Go back in time and stop Mario? What if Mario goes back in time and stops Sonic? Which is far more likely, considering Mario not only has more experience, but is far smarter.

Onto your other comment.

1. I agree. Paper Mario and Mario are the same person.

3. And Sonic won't know anything about Mario's weaponry either.

4. Yes, I do. Considering one Mario defeats both Super Sonics once you factor in the RPG Mario games.

Miscellaneous talk. What are you guys talking about with a "Rematch"? To my knowledge, there has yet to be any confirmation that Mario VS Sonic is getting one.

1. Unless Mario was keeping pace with Culex, then he'd have infinite speed. but Culex just stands there, or floats there or whatever he does. "Warped time and space" doesn't happen in any other game.

2. While sometimes there isn't logic, other times there are. Why don't I just say that the Sonic universe has no logic?

3. What's stopping all of that from happening is the fact that Super Sonic can dodge those projectiles with relative ease. as for Starman Mario, you do realize that Super Sonic is also invincible, right? Super Sonic was able to destroy the Egg Fleet with a single Super Sonic Boost. Name one time Mega Mario or Metal Mario displayed that kind of strength. And Mario in base beating Super Sonic is so unlikely.

4. If Super Sonic wasn't fighting during that time, what do you think he was doing, floating in space? if Super Sonic already beat Eggman, why would he just be in space rather than come immediately?

5. What will it do, oh I dunno, remove the invulnerability. How will Mario even know that what Super Sonic went through was a time portal?

1. Answer me this. why would Mario be OKAY with turning into paper? Surely, he'd go all "We-a need to-a find a way to-a return to-a normal."

3. Yeah, because Sonic needs to be worried about a hammer.

4. You should probably keep in mind that Super Sonic can stop time, dude. It also doesn't help that Mario would essentially be fighting 2/3 of a Multiversal force. Yes, I said '''Multiversal. '''You know, Solaris. Now you're probably thinking, "But wait, Mario can kill Solaris with ease!" No, because

1. Solaris can produce an energy forcefield that can stop Super Beings.

2. Solaris can only be killed if beat in the past, present, and future simultaneously.