Board Thread:VS Debates/@comment-31816534-20170704040809/@comment-26374068-20170712163945

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Strength: King Bob-omb is one of them. In the RPGs, he plays freaking soccer with Mario, Luigi and Paper Mario. But he's also not the only one... Hammer Bros are very tough characters, literally overpowering the Mario Bros. and tackling them to the ground in Super Princess Peach. And Shy-Guys can work wagons so fast that they can catch up to a high-speed train, which is physically impossible.

Attack Potency: And that's opinion-based, of course. But I still pointed out how Shadow Mario is 2-C, which solos Eggman's army except for Time Eater, who only takes the advantage because of speed. RPG Bowser could waste the Time Eater, and then proceed to annihilate the rest of Eggman's army.

Speed: Sonic is faster than Standard Mario. Yes. Is he faster than many other Marios? No. There are many keys of Mario's where he dwarfs Sonic in power and speed.

And the Immeasurable is for RPG and Paper Mario. In Super Paper Mario, Paper Mario walked inside The Void and inside of locales that were annihilated by The Void. I showed you guys the reference to String Theory in the last thread, right? The Void consumes all existence--all worlds, all dimensions, all timelines, all possibilities. This would also mean it destroyed all time within the Marioverse. Paper Mario could still move after The Void destroyed Sammer's Kingdom, and could even move whilst INSIDE The Void. And to be specific, having time annihilated on a 4-D scale justifies infinite speed. But the Marioverse has super time, the 11th Dimension. There is time--being above time is infinite, and most fictional universes that don't abide by String Theory only have a space-time continuum. However, abiding by String Theory gives the Marioverse a super space-time continuum, where space beyond the axes of X, Y and Z move, and where they move in super time--being above super time is immeasurable. The Void consumes all dimensions, so, if Paper Mario moves in a realm without super time, he has immeasurable speed. Not only all of this, but by being 11-dimensional, Paper Mario is naturally transcendental to a normal space-time continuum. Might I not also mention that The Void makes it as though everything never existed at all, including time. So Mario's joyfully trotting along within a realm devoid of higher dimensional time. RPG Mario was stated to be equal to Paper Mario, so, he scales. Not to mention he scales either way for keeping up with him.

Durability: Not really, considering Shadow Mario's durability alone is far higher than the Eggman Empire's, and then we throw in the higher troops--such as King Bob-omb and King Boo--or even some of their lower troops such as Hammer Bros and Shy-Guys. Besides tanking attacks from the Sonic protagonists, the Eggman Empire doesn't have many durability feats. And even then, comparing Mario's hits to Sonic is... very debatable. :/

Intelligence: Not so much for me. Bowser has strokes of Extraordinary Genius intellect, allowing him to build fully functional space stations (like I said), as well as enormous battle mechs and dark matter plants, or even full-on galactic reactors. He's more than capable of competing with Eggman in smarts. The bots are all AI, artificially designed. They have many one-track mindsets (which is a big thing that allows Sonic to pull ahead of many of them), which is a high contrast to Bowser's troopers. Such as Shy-Guys, for example. Heck, even advanced Goombas are pretty smart.

Weaponry: Not when that magic can turn that star-destroying weapon into a scarecrow. :/

And the Time Eater is threatening, sure. But Bowser has already defeated someone very similar to Time Eater. Culex.

Hax: The Chaos Emeralds don't have hax anywhere comparable to Bowser's army. It has reality warping--which Bowser, Shadow Mario and King Boo also have. It has space and time manipulation--which Bowser and King Boo also have. What else is there? The Chaos Emeralds have Statistics Amplification--but so does Kamek, and the Magikoopas. I could go on, honestly... Whatever the Chaos Emeralds can do, Bowser's army can do more of.

And, umm... the Chaos Emeralds equal to or greater than the Dream Stone? I can see them being around the Grand Stars. Sure... but the Dream Stone? You do know that thing's Multiversal, right?

Here, lemme show you some calculations I've done for Dreamy Bowser and Solaris. If you were to somehow scale the Chaos Emeralds to Solaris, let's see how much stronger Dreamy is than him, shall we?

Dreamy Bowser embodies and has the power of 7,670,250,000,000,000,000 universes. Solaris, using the same numbers I used for Dreamy, can only destroy 47,305,499,850,000,000 universes.

7,670,250,000,000,000,000 / 47,305,499,850,000,000 = 162 (rounded down). Meaning, Dreamy Bowser is over 162x more powerful than Solaris... and with the powers to grant wishes with but a thought, plus Telekinesis, Omnipresence in the Dream World, Duplication, Healing... I'm certain the Chaos Emeralds are far weaker.